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Old 11-22-2017, 07:11 PM
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Like other people are saying. Do what the PGA does? Aggregate or 18 hole playoff for Majors and all other tournaments do sudden death?? Works fine for them and makes sense. Obviously the top players on the PGA tour want to win but winning Majors is what really counts.
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Old 11-22-2017, 10:26 PM
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The idea of determining any tie based on some other stat in a singles format, regardless of the event level, makes me want to puke.
Why? Explain the reasoning. Particularly the part about any tier level.


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I am a math nerd, but tournaments should be won on the course
And who said it wouldn’t be? The score you got on hole #1 during the round WAS on the course.

It happens all the time in team sports. Two teams tie for the conference or division title, and the championship goes to...(wait for it)... the team who beat the other one head-to-head ON THE FIELD.


Basketball is basically the only sport that has its tie-breaker be essentially the same game. Shootouts, extra innings, NCAA tiebreaker in football, sudden death, NFL tie-breaker are all playing a slightly different sport than the one they played to get to a tie.

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Old 11-23-2017, 12:38 AM
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It happens all the time in team sports. Two teams tie for the conference or division title, and the championship goes to...(wait for it)... the team who beat the other one head-to-head ON THE FIELD.
Right. I get that. But in this case, none of the participants beat the other on the course. They're still tied.
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Old 11-23-2017, 07:14 AM
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Why? Explain the reasoning. Particularly the part about any tier level.

And who said it wouldn’t be? The score you got on hole #1 during the round WAS on the course.

It happens all the time in team sports. Two teams tie for the conference or division title, and the championship goes to...(wait for it)... the team who beat the other one head-to-head ON THE FIELD.
Yes, but those tiebreakers are typically used when it is impractical for teams to break the tie on the field. Particularly in a sport like football that is scheduled so precisely and isn't the type of game you can just throw an extra game in mid-week. In sports where a tiebreaker game is possible to schedule (baseball, for example), they do it. Very rarely is it impractical to send players out on the course to playoff a tie, and in the most likely instance of such a thing happening (weather delays), ties are now allowed to stand. There's little need for a statistical tiebreaker to ever be used in a disc golf setting.

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Basketball is basically the only sport that has its tie-breaker be essentially the same game. Shootouts, extra innings, NCAA tiebreaker in football, sudden death, NFL tie-breaker are all playing a slightly different sport than the one they played to get to a tie.
Baseball plays the exact same game (more exact than basketball in that basketball overtime involves shorter periods). When the game is tied after regulation, a full extra inning is played. And if one inning isn't enough, they play another and another until an inning ends with a team leading.
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Old 11-23-2017, 09:04 AM
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A one-hole round (sudden death) is exactly the same as entering hole 18 when the two players are tied. Even to the point of which player goes first.

Three problems with using statistics to settle a tie:

1. Too often, the statistic you pick will also be a tie. It's a smaller sample than whatever number of holes the players just finished, so it is more likely to be a tie.

2. No matter what statistic you pick, an equally valid different statistic would have given the other player the win. Because the players are tied, the other player must have "won" the flip side of the tie-breaker.

3. The winner is not the player that got the lower score.

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Old 11-23-2017, 09:22 AM
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Does anyone on here even play in any of the open divisions?
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Old 11-23-2017, 09:31 AM
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Does anyone on here even play in any of the open divisions?
JC still does. I did for years but got old.

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Old 11-23-2017, 10:20 AM
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A one-hole round (sudden death) is exactly the same as entering hole 18 when the two players are tied. Even to the point of which player goes first.

Three problems with using statistics to settle a tie:

1. Too often, the statistic you pick will also be a tie. It's a smaller sample than whatever number of holes the players just finished, so it is more likely to be a tie.

2. No matter what statistic you pick, an equally valid different statistic would have given the other player the win. Because the players are tied, the other player must have "won" the flip side of the tie-breaker.

3. The winner is not the player that got the lower score.
True. Among the options that come to my mind are most recent round, most recent holes, or a combination (best final round; if still tied; most recent holes). In short, weighting the finish slightly higher.

Still problematic; just a matter of what problems you prefer. Sudden Death---or 3 hole aggregate, then sudden death---causes delays. Unbroken ties are unpalatable. Other tie-breakers have their weaknesses. Pick your poison.

Perhaps with the consideration that the faults of any of these options might be weighed by tier, division, how much is at stake, and whether an audience (gallery or live broadcast) is to be considered.

I'd think that in most cases sudden death, particularly with well-chosen starting holes or a loop, will be the best option.
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Old 11-23-2017, 10:32 AM
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Considering we're talking PDGA events, you could ponder using player ratings to break ties similar to who has the lower number bag tag. You have to beat, not tie, to earn the lower tag. Could be the same way using ratings. Higher rating wins the tie. Of course, you would still need a secondary breaker if players have same rating or no rating.
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Considering we're talking PDGA events, you could ponder using player ratings to break ties similar to who has the lower number bag tag. You have to beat, not tie, to earn the lower tag. Could be the same way using ratings. Higher rating wins the tie. Of course, you would still need a secondary breaker if players have same rating or no rating.
Now you're making unbroken ties sound good....

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