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Yes shoulder in front of hip exactly like that. Try to pendulum the right shoulder underneath your chin on the backswing AND the forward swing. Basically think of a ball golf swing with a club, lead shoulder under chin on backswing, then goes under chin in forward swing and then rear shoulder swings through the same place while lead shoulder finishes up.

So try to keep that same leverage in backswing and forward swing...for me when keeping this it got my right shoulder in front of the hip and also pulled the arm through better. Less early releases for sure too.
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Old 03-03-2019, 10:40 AM
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Here are some throws from yesterday where I tried to squeeze between the knees, and to get the shoulder in front of the knee. Definitely mixed results, but the throws seem to get better later on. I included all of my throws for a good laugh at my struggles.


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Old 03-03-2019, 04:27 PM
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CLard in the house! This thread is the gold standard for chuckin' frisbees, and it's awesome to see it revived. I don't know if it's because you're trying so many different things in the standstill, but your set up seems to be wildly inconsistent. Sometimes super wide with no front hip pivot, sometimes narrow and crashing your weight over the front foot. You seem to consistently let your weight all go to the outside of your rear foot, but you still have great control of the hip rotation coming into the swing. Pull through reminds me of Seppo or Heimburg with the downward angle that turns into a ton of elastic looking pop/snap.

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Old 03-03-2019, 05:39 PM
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You are crushing your foot/ankle and posture instead of the can, and pulling the door frame down from your upper body going over top instead of your butt leading forward and pulling the door frame from lower/CoG. Need to turn your front side further back land on toes first with heel up, then push the heel down from the rear side heel going up and with your body dynamic upright to the front leg from behind. Your stance is too wide and rolling your feet over instead of staying in more athletic stance and using your feet/plantar flexion pushing/bouncing the heels/weight around from the toes/insteps.

Note how your hips are centered between your feet and both heels are on the ground, they didn't shift forward and your head is aligned to your back foot, your front foot plants sideways and rolls over flat. Note how my hips moved forward butt leading and head is aligned upright to the front leg ankle/foot planting on toes first with heel up/plantar flexion to catch yourself athletically just like landing from a jump, you wouldn't land with your foot flat or rolled.







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Old 03-03-2019, 06:12 PM
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Yep...was going to say jamming into front hip instead of moving your weight onto the front leg in alignment/balance.

I would also try one leg drill setup and swings...with a disc or with something heavy, just to make sure you feel what it's like to be that far forward with the spine balanced over the right leg.

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Old 03-03-2019, 07:39 PM
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I was trying to do too many things at once and things were going haywire. Those throws felt pretty awful. Going to reign things in a little bit and see how my normal throw feels compared to those. I always bow my front leg out in my throws and was trying really hard to keep the knee in/squeeze between the knees but it just felt wrong.
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Old 03-03-2019, 09:06 PM
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I was trying to do too many things at once and things were going haywire. Those throws felt pretty awful. Going to reign things in a little bit and see how my normal throw feels compared to those. I always bow my front leg out in my throws and was trying really hard to keep the knee in/squeeze between the knees but it just felt wrong.
Generally if you have to try to get into a position with part of your body, it's the wrong way about it. If you move your balance/weight to the front leg I bet your rear knee will come in and you'll get that squeeze between the knees look, because all your weight will be off the rear leg. And the front leg likely won't bow out the same from trying to hold you back.

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Generally if you have to try to get into a position with part of your body, it's the wrong way about it. If you move your balance/weight to the front leg I bet your rear knee will come in and you'll get that squeeze between the knees look, because all your weight will be off the rear leg. And the front leg likely won't bow out the same from trying to hold you back.
The one leg drill seems like what I need right now. I doing it a little bit inside, and it feels good. Gotta get the weight on my front leg.
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You are crushing your foot/ankle and posture instead of the can, and pulling the door frame down from your upper body going over top instead of your butt leading forward and pulling the door frame from lower/CoG. Need to turn your front side further back land on toes first with heel up, then push the heel down from the rear side heel going up and with your body dynamic upright to the front leg from behind. Your stance is too wide and rolling your feet over instead of staying in more athletic stance and using your feet/plantar flexion pushing/bouncing the heels/weight around from the toes/insteps.

Note how your hips are centered between your feet and both heels are on the ground, they didn't shift forward and your head is aligned to your back foot, your front foot plants sideways and rolls over flat. Note how my hips moved forward butt leading and head is aligned upright to the front leg ankle/foot planting on toes first with heel up/plantar flexion to catch yourself athletically just like landing from a jump, you wouldn't land with your foot flat or rolled.
On point as always. You think the one leg drill is the right idea for now? The feel is completely different and much more natural than the craziness I was trying to do before.

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Old 03-04-2019, 11:32 AM
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CLard in the house! This thread is the gold standard for chuckin' frisbees, and it's awesome to see it revived.
It's good to be back! I threw a little bit last year and I had missed it so much.

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I don't know if it's because you're trying so many different things in the standstill, but your set up seems to be wildly inconsistent. Sometimes super wide with no front hip pivot, sometimes narrow and crashing your weight over the front foot. You seem to consistently let your weight all go to the outside of your rear foot, but you still have great control of the hip rotation coming into the swing. Pull through reminds me of Seppo or Heimburg with the downward angle that turns into a ton of elastic looking pop/snap.
Yea, I was all over the place with these throws for sure. Heimburg has been slaying it lately. It's really nice to see him playing well.
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