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Old 07-24-2016, 08:35 AM
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All Tournaments  Tier     McBeth   Wysocki
2/20 Wintertime   B         1         
3/2 Memorial      NT        1        6
3/10 La Mirada    A  DGWT   1        2
3/18 St Patrick   A                  1
3/26 PureLine     C                  2
4/2 Mishawaka     A                  1
4/9 Jacksonville  A                  1
4/22 Nick Hyde    A         2         
4/28 Glass Blown  NT        2        2
5/5 Konopiste     A  DGWT   2         
5/6 Kansas City   NT                 1
5/20 Steady Ed    NT        2        1
5/27 St Jude      A                  1
6/2 Euro Open     A  DGWT   1        2
6/10 Beaver       NT        3        1
6/23 Vibram       NT DGPT  12        4
7/1 Delaware      A                  2
7/8 Silver Cup    A  DGPT            1
7/15 Estonian     A                  1
7/21 Euro Mst     M  DGWT   2        1
Code:
National Tour    Tier     McBeth   Wysocki
3/2 Memorial      NT        1        6
4/28 Glass Blown  NT        2        2
5/6 Kansas City   NT                 1
5/20 Steady Ed    NT        2        1
6/10 Beaver       NT        3        1
6/23 Vibram       NT       12        4
Code:
DG World Tour    Tier     McBeth   Wysocki
3/10 La Mirada   DGWT       1        2
5/5 Konopiste    DGWT       2         
6/2 Euro Open    DGWT       1        2
7/21 Euro Mst    DGWT       2        1
Code:
DG Pro Tour      Tier     McBeth   Wysocki
6/23 Vibram      DGPT      12        4
7/8 Silver Cup   DGPT                1
Code:
A Tiers          Tier     McBeth   Wysocki
3/10 La Mirada    A         1        2
3/18 St Patrick   A                  1
4/2 Mishawaka     A                  1
4/9 Jacksonville  A                  1
4/22 Nick Hyde    A         2         
5/5 Konopiste     A         2         
5/27 St Jude      A                  1
6/2 Euro Open     A         1        2
7/1 Delaware      A                  2
7/8 Silver Cup    A                  1
7/15 Estonian     A                  1

What are the final numbers?
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Old 07-24-2016, 11:36 AM
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Unlucky spit-out? What hole?
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In my defense, that was after only watching it on Avery's phone on Facebook, as it happened, which is to say I couldn't see it at all. I mean, I could see that there were some people in a park, but I couldn't really make out much else. I definitely couldn't see something as detailed as a disc approaching a basket.

I was basically going on what Avery said and he said McBeth chained out and that it was quite dramatic. I could hear the crowd and it sounded quite dramatic. And I thought I saw McBeth react as if he chained out, or it was very, very close. I use "spit-out" as a synonym for "chain-out."

I call any sort of miss after hitting chains a "spit-out." And since it was a putt he usually makes at high percentage and since the stakes were so high, and since Avery said it was so close, I called it a very unlucky "spit-out."

I hadn't seen the slick HD DGWT video recap yet. After seeing the DGWT vid, his putt grazed the chains on the right and dropped on the right hand side of the basket. Still unlucky.
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Old 07-24-2016, 12:05 PM
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All Tournaments  Tier     McBeth   Wysocki
2/20 Wintertime   B         1         
3/2 Memorial      NT        1        6
3/10 La Mirada    A  DGWT   1        2
3/18 St Patrick   A                  1
3/26 PureLine     C                  2
4/2 Mishawaka     A                  1
4/9 Jacksonville  A                  1
4/22 Nick Hyde    A         2         
4/28 Glass Blown  NT        2        2
5/5 Konopiste     A  DGWT   2         
5/6 Kansas City   NT                 1
5/20 Steady Ed    NT        2        1
5/27 St Jude      A                  1
6/2 Euro Open     A  DGWT   1        2
6/10 Beaver       NT        3        1
6/23 Vibram       NT DGPT  12        4
7/1 Delaware      A                  2
7/8 Silver Cup    A  DGPT            1
7/15 Estonian     A                  1
7/21 Euro Mst     M  DGWT   2        1
Code:
National Tour    Tier     McBeth   Wysocki
3/2 Memorial      NT        1        6
4/28 Glass Blown  NT        2        2
5/6 Kansas City   NT                 1
5/20 Steady Ed    NT        2        1
6/10 Beaver       NT        3        1
6/23 Vibram       NT       12        4
Code:
DG World Tour    Tier     McBeth   Wysocki
3/10 La Mirada   DGWT       1        2
5/5 Konopiste    DGWT       2         
6/2 Euro Open    DGWT       1        2
7/21 Euro Mst    DGWT       2        1
Code:
DG Pro Tour      Tier     McBeth   Wysocki
6/23 Vibram      DGPT      12        4
7/8 Silver Cup   DGPT                1
Code:
A Tiers          Tier     McBeth   Wysocki
3/10 La Mirada    A         1        2
3/18 St Patrick   A                  1
4/2 Mishawaka     A                  1
4/9 Jacksonville  A                  1
4/22 Nick Hyde    A         2         
5/5 Konopiste     A         2         
5/27 St Jude      A                  1
6/2 Euro Open     A         1        2
7/1 Delaware      A                  2
7/8 Silver Cup    A                  1
7/15 Estonian     A                  1
Excellent tables. Thanks for working on these.

Yeah, Rick's definitely got the edge this season. And it's not like going into the year, the top spot was unoccupied either. McBeth's performance in 2015 made him the consensus dominant player in the world, by a WIDE margin going into 2016. Anyone who disagreed with that assessment at the beginning of the season was just whistling Dixie. Rick had an awesome year last year, but he was very clearly second best to McBeth in 2015. Facts are facts. I wouldn't have batted an eye or thought any less of Rick as a golfer if McBeth's dominance continued in the same way this year. And after The Memorial, it looked like McBeth's dominance WAS set to continue well into 2016. Who could argue with that after McBeth took it down in Arizona and Rick finished way back in 6th?

Full respect to Rick, but I have no idea what flipped in him after The Memorial. I'd really love to know more about what he attributes his rise to. Most interviews with him are quite superficial and boilerplate. But I can definitely tell that he's extremely focused, intense and competitive. But, to be honest, he seemed that way last year too. So what changed?

People have pointed to various possible reasons behind McBeth's relative struggles, and those are a mystery too.

Whatever, the action's been great and it's been fun to watch and debate over. I just hope it continues!
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Old 07-24-2016, 12:13 PM
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Full respect to Rick, but I have no idea what flipped in him after The Memorial. I'd really love to know more about what he attributes his rise to. Most interviews with him are quite superficial and boilerplate. But I can definitely tell that he's extremely focused, intense and competitive. But, to be honest, he seemed that way last year too. So what changed?
Answering my own question, lol.

I just remembered the whole equipment thing. I have heard that he's finally settled with his equipment. I know that it's been an ongoing issue with him for a few years now but that due to professionalism and contractual obligations, I'm sure, he couldn't put really get into it publicly about the details behind his frustrations with his main sponsor's equipment.

That's gotta be a big factor in anyone's game, right? Being comfortable with your gear.

Of course then there's his improved consistency and his mental game this year, of which I've heard zilch about...
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Ricky currently has the lowest standard deviation in his ratings among top pros, i.e., more consistent.
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Excellent tables. Thanks for working on these.

Full respect to Rick, but I have no idea what flipped in him after The Memorial. I'd really love to know more about what he attributes his rise to. Most interviews with him are quite superficial and boilerplate. But I can definitely tell that he's extremely focused, intense and competitive. But, to be honest, he seemed that way last year too. So what changed?

People have pointed to various possible reasons behind McBeth's relative struggles, and those are a mystery too.
Agreed about the tables and the work put into them.

One thing is for sure: Wysocki has improved his putting tremendously. And that is one huge reason he's winning more now. And the flip side: McBeth has strugged a bit with his putting; it's still good but not the automatic from 50 feet (give or take ) like he was last year (2015).

Maybe Wysocki settling into his equipment is part of it, and maybe McBeth's comment lit a fire in Wysocki. And let's not forget a certain island green in Rock Hill, SC. I suspect THAT is where the fire got lit, like a 'slug' in an old coal-driven train locomotive.

Maybe McBeth's injuries are a factor in his play. But I also think that McBeth's 2015 season was just about magical, and maybe he's pressing too hard to duplicate it when that just might not be plausible?
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But I also think that McBeth's 2015 season was just about magical, and maybe he's pressing too hard to duplicate it when that just might not be plausible?
I definitely think you're on to something there.

McBeth is the most talented, accomplished and highest rated player in the world. Not too much doubt about that. But even with all that, his 2015 has to still be considered a statistical anomaly. Kind of reminds me of Golden State's reg season records this last NBA season.

GS set the record for wins to start the season and total wins in the reg season. But when they got into the playoffs, they regressed to the mean. That's what I think is happening to McBeth in 2016.

McBeth's still having a sick season, but he has regressed to the mean. Of course his mean is a lot higher than everyone else's, like Golden State's.
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All Tournaments  Tier     McBeth   Wysocki
2/20 Wintertime   B         1         
3/2 Memorial      NT        1        6
3/10 La Mirada    A  DGWT   1        2
3/18 St Patrick   A                  1
3/26 PureLine     C                  2
4/2 Mishawaka     A                  1
4/9 Jacksonville  A                  1
4/22 Nick Hyde    A         2         
4/28 Glass Blown  NT        2        2
5/5 Konopiste     A  DGWT   2         
5/6 Kansas City   NT                 1
5/20 Steady Ed    NT        2        1
5/27 St Jude      A                  1
6/2 Euro Open     A  DGWT   1        2
6/10 Beaver       NT        3        1
6/23 Vibram       NT DGPT  12        4
7/1 Delaware      A                  2
7/8 Silver Cup    A  DGPT            1
7/15 Estonian     A                  1
7/21 Euro Mst     M  DGWT   2        1
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So, after this weekend, McBeth & Wysocki have played eight common tournaments in 2016. Each has three wins, they both tied for second at GBO and in The Vibram, Rick finished fourth and McBeth finished 12th. That's about as even as it gets considering their one on one match ups.

Rick's definitely been trending recently but the European Masters was about close to a draw as you could get. Great omen for the rest of the season.
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I've always thought of Ricky not only a threat to Schusterick when they were teammates at Prodigy but a true DEEP threat to McBeth and potential World Title's. For whatever reason, Ricky is just smokin the courses like it was child's play. I missed him when he came through Sacramento to play the St. Paddy's Day Tourney at Shady Oaks.
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I definitely think you're on to something there.

McBeth is the most talented, accomplished and highest rated player in the world. Not too much doubt about that. But even with all that, his 2015 has to still be considered a statistical anomaly. Kind of reminds me of Golden State's reg season records this last NBA season.

GS set the record for wins to start the season and total wins in the reg season. But when they got into the playoffs, they regressed to the mean. That's what I think is happening to McBeth in 2016.

McBeth's still having a sick season, but he has regressed to the mean. Of course his mean is a lot higher than everyone else's, like Golden State's.
Good analogy. For me the analogy is Tiger Woods's "Tiger Slam", when he held all four majors at once, though not in the same calendar year. He continued to be great, but other players rose up, and there was just no way Tiger could keep that torrid pace forever.
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