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Old 09-28-2018, 01:24 PM
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I was talking to a buddy about the "generations" of disc golfers, he was under the impression that Climo was just a big fish in a small pond, and that he wouldn't be nearly as successful today. That got my eyes rolling, and my mind thinking.

So I went to pdga and averaged Climo and McBeths career ratings, just to get a baseline. Climo averaged a 1033.25 rating from aug. 1998 to may 2017 (20 years!!), and McBeth averaged a 1032.75 from Sep 2005 to Sep. 2018. I know ratings aren't perfect, and i'm not a statistician, so those averages may misrepresent the reality of the situation. Basically do you think my buddy is right, or that if at the height of his powers, Climo would have been plenty successful today?

bonus question, do you think some of the big names of today would have had the same success if they were competing then and didn't have current disc technology?

or does no one care because there is no real way to know?
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Old 09-28-2018, 01:34 PM
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There is much more parity in today's game. We will never see a Climo again.

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Old 09-28-2018, 01:43 PM
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I think it's a fun question, but totally hypothetical. Disc technology and depth of talent are big factors. Having a solid forehand game is another. Even if you were to give Climo modern high speed discs at his athletic prime, I don't think he could dominate today's field as a backhand only player. In the 90s, he was able to dominate without a forehand. That simply would not be the case today.
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Old 09-28-2018, 01:45 PM
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Always an engaging question in sports talk, but also silly in so many ways when it comes up. So and So from the past wouldn't stand a chance against the players today because X-Y-Z.

Generally yes they would and especially those like Climo that revolutionized a sport. One common in many sports is development of training and bigger stronger faster. The dudes that were at the top a long time ago were there through natural talent and hard work, that wouldn't change they would be adapting to today and would rise to the top here as well.

YES, many people were big fish in a small pond and that is why they could hold onto greatness for so long. Would Climo if he was in his young 20's right now be able to win as many titles? probably not, there is more competition BUT he would be one of the best no doubt about it.
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Climo at age 50 is still rated higher than reigning World Champ Barsby.

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In today's game, Climo=Cale Leiviska.

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Further muddying the waters is, what do you mean by Climo, now?

Climo, with his 1990s age and skillset, magically transported to the present?

Or Climo, born 20 years later, developing with today's discs, techniques---and competitors?

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Climo at age 50 is still rated higher than reigning World Champ Barsby.
Damn Climo is 50 yowza... that means I"m

I've read/heard that winning worlds now is a war of attrition with a good bit of luck sprinkled in. Ratings aren't as big a thing now as far as world's winners are concerned is what I'm getting at. I'm absolutely not taking anything away from Barsby. I met him at the 2009 USDGC and he was a really cool cat. I was really happy that he won world's this year.

But back to Climo; if he was 30 right now he would still be a monster IMO. His best assets were, and still are, his consistency and his putting. Those two things are what score well in golf. Would he still be 12x? Don't know. Maybe so and McBeth would be TOC. Or they would be dueling banjos.

And yes as others have said this can be a silly conversation, but remember this is the internet. It's all really pretty silly when take a step back.
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Further muddying the waters is, what do you mean by Climo, now?

Climo, with his 1990s age and skillset, magically transported to the present?

Or Climo, born 20 years later, developing with today's discs, techniques---and competitors?
i was originally thinking this 1990s age and skillset now. But seeing as it is a hypothetical, whichever people have thoughts about is fine.
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No way to know. If he learned on today's disks on today's courses against today's players he could be great or he could have gotten frustrating and quit before he got it. No way to know.
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