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Old 02-20-2017, 07:34 AM
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I have a good deal of experience with eagles and firebird below 160. First off, Firebirds simply do not exist in Star below 160, so you can forget that. Overall, fresh out the gate Eagles and Firebirds are basically the same as regulars weighted versions, but they're easier to get up to speed and or a little throw further. I've been beating in a Champ Firebird @158 for 3 years and there's still no trace of high speed turn (no wind), but they do straighten out into a fresher S-PDish type flight. Eagles, as expected, season up a little faster.
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Old 02-20-2017, 08:16 AM
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Thanks Butlertron. I read your whole thread about your 150 class Japan bag experience. It was very helpful.
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Old 02-20-2017, 10:38 AM
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wow, apparently I was throwing an all 150g bag for 6 years, not 3.
I just stumbled across this post from 2010.

Keller, thanks for pointing out Mr. Butlertron's thread. I hadn't seen that before. It's a good read for anyone interested in going light.
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Old 02-20-2017, 12:31 PM
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I have a good deal of experience with eagles and firebird below 160. First off, Firebirds simply do not exist in Star below 160, so you can forget that. Overall, fresh out the gate Eagles and Firebirds are basically the same as regulars weighted versions, but they're easier to get up to speed and or a little throw further. I've been beating in a Champ Firebird @158 for 3 years and there's still no trace of high speed turn (no wind), but they do straighten out into a fresher S-PDish type flight. Eagles, as expected, season up a little faster.
It's funny, I grabbed some 150s because I was supposed to be spending a whole lot more time in Japan than I did/will (bummer that, I love Japan man..).. anyway, so far the starlite teebird, champ firebird, and a KC pro roc have all stayed in the bag... and I got a second champ FB for glow.

I was honestly surprised at the flights of all of them, given the light weight.
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Old 02-20-2017, 12:39 PM
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...KC pro roc have all stayed in the bag...
I was honestly surprised at the flights of all of them, given the light weight.
I didn't mention it because Keller didn't ask about mids but those 150 KC Pros are awesome!
I carried 2-3 DX Rocs for most midrange shots. The KC was for slightly OS needs. They were all beautiful but especially the KC.

I also bought a 150 Champ Rancho Roc but wasn't overly impressed with it. I'm not a fan of the gummier plastics. The flight was okay and the durability, of course, is fantastic. If you like gummier discs then its worth checking out. Maybe I should have looked for a stiffer Champ but the KC did everything I wanted and was cheaper & easier to find.
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Old 02-20-2017, 12:44 PM
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Yeah, I've been having a ball throwing some lighter discs since last fall. Besides my putters and a couple of 172gr Rocs, all of my bag is bellow 165gr now. Think I'll keep at it until the warm weather anyway. I was out tossing 150gr Rocs and Aviars in the field yesterday, peg them right, they soar! Next to a Comet, nothing else has helped my form more than learning to throw lighter discs.

I'm not necessarily trying for a total 150-class bag, but I have seen the light and their advantages. I just ordered a few more discs in the 157-162gr range, so now I'll have a range of weights from 150-175+gr of all my main molds. . Just have to hunt down a champ Eagle-X around 160gr.
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Anyone throw 150 class Firebirds overhand? I've never thrown a 150 class Champion Firebird but I bet it would bomb overhand. I doubt it would be good in the wind though.
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...Just have to hunt down a champ Eagle-X around 160gr.
If you are fine with 160g then you might be able to find some Star EXs as well. These are good candidates if you like cycling your molds.

Personally, I stuck with Champ and DX for the 150g bag but Stars are great.

I hear what you are saying about the Comet. I'm a Comet freak. The most painful part of going all-150 was that I lost my Comets. As it turns out, a beat DX Rancho Roc is a great analog for a Comet. So crisis averted! Have you beat any of your yet?
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Old 02-20-2017, 01:11 PM
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I have a 158gr G* Roc3 that is pretty close to a new comet now, it's getting there. My 2 150gr KC's need a lot more beating, they're no where near beat enough, they are surprisingly stable. I might have to get a few DX's.
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The DXs I have are a waxy blend. They take about 60 rounds (I guess?) to break into a Comet-like state.
But you are right... KC Rocs take a looooong time to beat in. Mine still seems freshy after 2 years in the bag. Admittedly the DX Rocs take the brunt of the abuse but still...
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