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Old 05-16-2019, 02:18 PM
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I don't believe the bolded is true. At least not in a way that signals some sort of seismic shift of the whole game.
You are probably right. And your facts support you. I still think it's the way pro level tournaments are trending. And I think we are witnessing a pivotal point in the growth of our sport. Look at how fast the high speed driver segment grew. It started slow, then exponentially grew. I think that's where pro tournaments are, starting slow. As the numbers grow, lower tiers will have to keep pace to provide the stepping stones to pro level. The only way lower tiers can be provided with big open courses is if more are put in.

I'm not against high speed drivers or ball golf style courses. I just hope this sport doesn't grow into the elitist sport ball golf is.
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Old 05-16-2019, 04:37 PM
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FWIW Dave Dunipace had pushed for a smaller limit to the rim width about 10 years ago. The PDGA opted for a wider limit.
From a post by Dave Dunipace on the PDGA forums back in 2008:

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... I am not opposed to discs flying farther. That was not the point, and if I said that, I was in error. I am opposed to unrestricted wide rims, and undefined equipment for a sports contest. There was no definition at the time that prevented an otherwise solid discus with one thumb hole. Additionally, I was of the opinion that the wide rimmed discs further separate the haves from the have nots in terms of big hands with big power to generate, and sustain, initial velocity. And, this opinion was mostly aimed at over head shots, that are strictly done with velocity, and not with glide. I am all for big glide. No problem.

I was surprised by the popularity of the latest additions to our line. I did not think a large percentage of players would be able to throw the Destroyer, XCaliber, and Boss. Apparently, the PDGA picked a better limit than I did. I wanted a smaller limit. However, a limit was necessary.

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Old 05-17-2019, 12:26 PM
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It almost sounds like people are indicating here that wide rimmed drivers instantly provide 100' more distance over stuff like Teebirds and Eagles. I think that's only true for the hardest throwers. The great majority of DG'ers aren't going to see any benefit to throwing something like a Destroyer over a Valkyrie or Teebird.

Someone like Ricky Wysocki will throw a Boss 100' (or more) further than a Teebird. That's perfectly fine. The way I look at it, he has earned that distance. Only at the pro level are some courses being obsoleted. That said, most pro events are set up on temporary courses with made up holes to increase the difficulty.

I for one don't think that wide rimmed drivers detract from the overall game. They do provide more distance than Teebirds, but you need skill and good arm speed to harness that distance. I think DG would be kind of boring if if drivers capped out at speed 7.

Just for argument's sake, I think some company should produce a (non PDGA legal) driver with a 3 CM rim and see if it blows the current 2.5 CM standard out of the water.

I think 2.5 is wide enough for sanctioned discs.
Often you see the big arms throw 12-speed discs over the max rim ones. There are some in the mix too.

Gateway did make the Ninja with a 2.8cm rim but it tough to say "blow out of the water" when its not PDGA legal, i.e. you wont have enough people throw it to get reliable data.
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Old 05-17-2019, 03:15 PM
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Could we generalize that the alleged trend towards using ball golf courses is less a matter of increasing online viewership, and more a matter of that being the only available land space in that area that could accommodate a pro level course?

Because I think if everyone had a piece of property with woods, water, elevation and enough of it to carve out 18 holes at 10,000+ ft, they'd be doing that instead.

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Old 05-21-2019, 08:00 AM
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I vote no.

I love ripping huge drives.

Doesn't have to be a wide open hole. I love wooded courses, technical holes and courses that incorporate nature well.

I've thrown 1000' golf course style holes. I've thrown 1000' heavily wooded holes. Both have their own charm.

I'd be a lot less interested in this sport if holes were more frequently designed with rec players in mind.

Obviously its healthy to cater to them. You need a balance of course designs. But 250-300' par 3's over and over are a lot less exciting to me than 450-800' par 4's and 5's.

Learning to throw 400, 500, 600' then playing a course where the longest hole is 350' takes some of the fun out of it IMO.

On the subject of limiting rim width.....I've got 450'+ throws with putters. Even if you cut the limit in half from speed 14 to speed 7, I can still hit 500', and the top level pros will be able to embarrass me!

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Old 05-21-2019, 10:24 AM
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Indy Car and NASCAR both regulated the innovation to the point fans lost interest from their hey days. Indy Car has slowly recovered by loosing up some specs and giving teams options to play with on attachments (wings, shocks, etc.).

Now, I'm not a fan of wide rim drivers. But taking that history in mind, I'm against anymore restrictions.
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Old 05-21-2019, 11:27 AM
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Let em make speed 16 I say. I'll feel even better outdriving the other ams on my card with an old Teebird.

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Old 05-21-2019, 02:04 PM
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I vote no.

I love ripping huge drives.

Doesn't have to be a wide open hole. I love wooded courses, technical holes and courses that incorporate nature well.

I've thrown 1000' golf course style holes. I've thrown 1000' heavily wooded holes. Both have their own charm.

I'd be a lot less interested in this sport if holes were more frequently designed with rec players in mind.

Obviously its healthy to cater to them. You need a balance of course designs. But 250-300' par 3's over and over are a lot less exciting to me than 450-800' par 4's and 5's.

Learning to throw 400, 500, 600' then playing a course where the longest hole is 350' takes some of the fun out of it IMO.

On the subject of limiting rim width.....I've got 450'+ throws with putters. Even if you cut the limit in half from speed 14 to speed 7, I can still hit 500', and the top level pros will be able to embarrass me!
I agree with this. I think DG should have as much variation as possible. I don't mind a 300' hole, but I definitely like the 500'+ bomber holes. As a good DGer, you need to learn a wide range of shots to play long and short holes. You need a good variety of discs to play all those holes. I like using wide rimmed drivers, when applicable.

That said, I don't think the PDGA should change the driver rule they have now. 2.5 CM is wide enough for rims.
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Old 05-22-2019, 02:42 PM
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More tournaments are going to ball golf style courses. That's where viewership is at, and money.
Is it true that there's more viewership for ball golf style courses? And if so, why?
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Old 05-22-2019, 02:49 PM
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"Should we lower the rim width/speed regulations for distance drivers?"

It's almost like we're asking to limit the athleticism of the player as well. It's inevitable as better athletes enter our sport, they're going to do things we can't. With that said, there's nothing wrong with long courses, but I think most players including pros would rather have a mix of short/technical holes and a few bomber holes. Like others have said, when Simon bombs putters 450, there's not much you can do at that point regarding the plastic.
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