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I dont know.. $80-$90 entry fees are going to run more players off than anything. I was a bit shocked to see those fees for some local tourneys that are coming up.. I never would have played in any tourneys if the cost was that damn high, and now I guess I wont be participating in any ever again.
Isn't that a bit like Yogi Berra's "Nobody goes to that restaurant anymore because it's too crowded"?
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Old 05-24-2019, 09:43 PM
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Isn't that a bit like Yogi Berra's "Nobody goes to that restaurant anymore because it's too crowded"?
Basically.
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Old 05-25-2019, 09:52 AM
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As long as we continually have a crop of new tournament players who see tourney entry fees and just assume "that's what it costs to play", and have no perspective of the cheaper fees that preceded it, I won't be expecting said entry fees to be coming down soon. I also won't be playing too many events until they do.

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Old 05-25-2019, 10:32 AM
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Read a few potentially good ideas for improvements. But these ideas may not be strong enough to compel those posters to make the effort to try and run those formats or persuade others, Tom Sawyer style, to try and run them versus continue paying and playing under the default format common in their area or just not participate.
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Old 05-26-2019, 08:52 AM
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Shouldn't be the work of the PDGA despite the "P" on their name.
Totally agree. The PDGA should 100% move away from anything pro related and let another entity handle it.
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Old 05-26-2019, 09:17 AM
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Common but flawed argument used when belittling amateurs.
Sometimes things lost in translation.. as an am player myself I am certainly not belittling ams. My focus was on the small percent of players that may or may not, move up or even want to move up due to being brought up on winning merch, players packs, etc. I've seen ams throw away trophies, laugh at them, etc, etc, and only worry about how much merch they're getting. I've seen ams instantly sell their merch vouchers to other players so they can "cash" out at the tournament without going pro. Granted.. VERY small numbers of players, but again.. the discussion was if merch was never available what would their mindset be.

And for the record.. DD has been mentioned several times in this thread. I should point out the DFW area is lucky to have Dynamic Discs Carrollton run so many tournaments. I've played in many of them and will continue to do so. The only area of concern I have with them is their pricing structure and the fact they will not allow players to opt out of player packs in return for lower entry fees. But let's be honest.. they routinely fill their tournaments so I am of course in the minority with this opinion.
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Old 05-29-2019, 09:14 AM
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I dont know.. $80-$90 entry fees are going to run more players off than anything. I was a bit shocked to see those fees for some local tourneys that are coming up.. I never would have played in any tourneys if the cost was that damn high, and now I guess I wont be participating in any ever again.
We have 360 ams paying $100 in Charlotte. Its all about where you are, supply and demand.
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Old 05-29-2019, 09:22 AM
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Read a few potentially good ideas for improvements. But these ideas may not be strong enough to compel those posters to make the effort to try and run those formats or persuade others, Tom Sawyer style, to try and run them versus continue paying and playing under the default format common in their area or just not participate.
I think the issue is, that you cant have 1 option. Each market is so diverse.

Some areas do well with low entry trophy only, some high entry merch, and combinations of those. Just like some areas do really well with A and B tiers and others are suited more towards C tiers. There is no catchall, so we should leave it up to TD's and let the players feet do the voting. If you can charge $150 for a B-Tier and fill in an hour giving out only merch or only trophies in (example) Texas, well maybe a $35 B-tier trophy only is the only thing that will work in Maine...

Ultimately, forcing people to give up flexibility just to move more money into a cash paying division is short sited and lazy. The growth comes from presenting the sport and acting in a way that brings in outside sponsors. More outside added cash will draw in more pros.

If I had a tournament with 360 flexible spots pro and am and had $200,000 added pro cash paying out to 70% of the field...It think that pro field would be pretty deep.

If I guilt ams to playing pro for $500 in added cash, ultimately many of those will quit playing tournaments all together.

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Old 05-29-2019, 10:28 AM
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We have 360 ams paying $100 in Charlotte. Its all about where you are, supply and demand.
Thats insane.
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Old 05-29-2019, 12:11 PM
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I wish AMs could cash in the Open division in C-tiers and still retain AM status. Or, maybe there could be some of semi-pro designation.

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