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Old 05-22-2017, 01:11 AM
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Really, all shots...backhand, forehand, putts. This has been a huge revelation in my game, and it has taken me way too long to understand even though people like Sidewinder22 have been showing it so properly through so many drills. I just didn't see it the right way for too long. It shows up again and again, but if you don't shift your weight right, "from behind", you aren't really shifting your weight at all. If you don't know what means then hopefully this can help a few people get started.

Different things click for different people so I'll try a few different illustrations. There are a few threads on this (and tons of drills). For example here: https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=118948

I posted some ideas in another thread but they are likely hard to find for most people, so I thought it'd be worth re-posting some things here in one place, along with a few more ideas.

But basically, if you feel how to shift your weight "from behind" it lets you set up the brace correctly and feel a strong connection through your body and to the disc (I feel this most clearly in forehands so far). This works in backhand, forehand, and putts. Here is a partial re-post of my explanation:

So the part that really clicked for me starts at 3:25 of this video. Focus on how he says the weight is on the inside of rear foot, where the tension in the leg is, how you can reach back while feeling that pressure/tension. Feeling how pushing with the rear leg helped me reach back in the same motion was when it really made sense.



This is how it feels in a throw...you are balanced over your feet but you drive your rear hip/left butt towards the target (the arrow is meant to be parallel to the ground) while the right arm is turning back. Don't focus on rotation forward, don't focus on shifting quickly, just push that left butt towards the target. When your right arm goes back it's pretty equal/opposite and you should be in great balance.

I then feel like I drive off my left instep in that direction and once my front foot is planted everything still rotates easily, but it automatically delays the reachback because the motion goes hand in hand with how you are turning your hips and the direction you are shifting your weight.



The important thing is do NOT think "walk backwards" or "face target with butt". It's the last step that you should feel this load on your left instep, feel the left thigh engage, and turn back to allow for this shift underneath/behind towards the target on line. The door frame drill helps you turn at the right time and feel how the reachback and shift are opposite and at the same time.

Here's another image, I really feel like it's loading off your left instep straight at the target (which is behind the front foot), and directing your left butt/hip straight at the target. The upper arrow is meant to be his left butt (view blocked because of angle), not his right hip.



In the Turbo Encabulator video you can see how SW22 embellishes the spine angle with a pool cue, which is supported by his plant leg at the shift and angled backward while tilted athletically over the toes. Video at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxnhM5amro0

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Old 05-22-2017, 01:15 AM
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You can see in this picture how a baseball pitcher is shifting the same way; imagine this applying to a forehand. Video at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZKvJY6gDfg



Here is Wysocki in a forehand, doing the same shift. He isn't driving the right hip forward, he's shifting from behind and it feels like anchoring your weight to leverage the disc. For me, I could really feel this motion when swinging a hammer. When you leverage your weight correctly the hammer feels linked through your body/arm.



Even in putts this happens. Before I thought the rear leg was for pushing forward then acting as a counterweight. If you look at top putters, the rear hip moves behind the front hip, driving forward. I've added 10' to my putting range, not that I'm a great putter...but it works.

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Old 05-22-2017, 02:00 AM
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I think this subject clicked for me recently, but not in thinking about it directly. It basically came from me approaching the tee pad further on the right side when throwing a straight power shot. It felt like I had my back exposed to the target for longer. After applying this for only a couple of weeks, I feel confident and consistent in hyzer flipping something hard and far while doing this. MY challenge now is applying this when I approach from the left side of the tee pad when trying to throw general hyzers. ESPECIALLY spike hyzers.

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Old 05-22-2017, 09:08 AM
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SlowP, this was such a helpful discovery for me - good work detailing this all out.

Here a couple examples (of probably many) where SW explains pretty darn clearly I just never got it for some reason until I was mentally struggling through it all:

First part of Crush can 2.1:


Sidewinder talks about foot eversion, which is necessary to "get" the from behind principle (it's necessary in order to rotate your hip laterally toward the target): he talks about it in gas pedal drill among other places (door frame, etc.)

Hershyzer Drill also a critical component in understanding - When rotate laterally from behind result is leading with your butt and not rotating early which I was doing previously.



Also watching Clement explain the power move was helpful to me.



It is very interesting how this translates to other sports. I got to my son's soccer game early on Saturday and we were warming up on the field and I was applying the from behind principle to my soccer shots. It's essentially the same thing as a forehand shot in disc golf. I would laterally rotate my right check toward the target before the hit and man I was getting some sweet rips. Soccer shot is already ingrained for me but just thinking about the from behind principle and consciously doing it made it so easy and replicable. The nets were scared and the 6 yr olds were blown away

Anyway, hope these videos help supplement and click for someone else too.

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Old 05-22-2017, 12:45 PM
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Here a couple examples (of probably many) where SW explains pretty darn clearly I just never got it for some reason until I was mentally struggling through it all:
Exactly...once it clicks it's so obvious that it was in everything all along. Frustrating to not get it. Nothing in here is really meant to be new, just a lot of little snippets together so hopefully different things let more people see it, and then they can dive deeper and apply it to all shots (and sports, as you have found out too).

Here's another one...for forehand shots, watch this video at ~2:20. Shows how to get into that tilted/shifted position and leverage the hammer or disc on a forehand hyzer. If you do this with a hammer you'll really feel the leverage through your body when you do it correctly, and then you can translate it to a throw with a disc. It really makes forehand shots feel effortless if you already can snap cleanly.


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This really made a lot of sense to me. I just got out and tried it during my lunch break, very rudimentarily, and had a couple putters go 280'-290' and one or two Mako shots go 310'-320' dead straight.

The idea of left butt foward initiating the wide backswing really got things moving, and the hip clearing without forcing it!

Thanks Slowplastic!
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Awesome! I'm still at the point of nice easy shots with it and getting those clean putters/mids out there too...but I'm seeing very significant power increase with forehands and with low strain.
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I'm going to go over this again in the AM and let it marinate. I'll give it a go tomorrow at lunch.
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It is very interesting how this translates to other sports. I got to my son's soccer game early on Saturday and we were warming up on the field and I was applying the from behind principle to my soccer shots. It's essentially the same thing as a forehand shot in disc golf.
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This is how I taught myself a forehand way back in the day, actually started off by kicking through at the same time as driving to get the feel of the lower body movement. Still something I use over here quite a lot as most UK players have played soccer growing up so easily relatable.

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