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Maybe it’s time to break the mold.
Why can’t holes be a par 3.5 or 4.5? Besides the obvious “because that’s not the way it’s done” remarks on “fixing” par, why not?

I don’t think folks are ready for it yet, so maybe I’ll be the first to test the waters and take feed back. Let’s face it no one likes a tweeter hole in disc golf, but what if it were a 4.5, and it added a bit of risk reward to the final outcome for folks who were willing to take the chance to edge someone out of a half stroke.

In golf, par of a hole is determined by strokes to the green plus 2 puts, which is fine for golf because putting IS different in golf comparison to disc. I do understand that disc is a faster paced birdy opportunity game and that’s just the nature because of it’s uniqueness.

I’ve read the Par Talk thread enough to be nauseated and so have most here; and while I think making holes dam near impossible to birdy isn’t fun for players or watchers because we’re use to the action, it’s not going to solve the tweeter syndrome holes that are great hole but just don’t fit the mold.

Time to break the mold? I think so, just because it hasn’t been done doesn’t mean it wouldn’t add an element to the game that we’ve never experienced.
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The only real reason for par is to assess a par plus 4 penalty for missing a hole.

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I don’t think folks are ready for it yet, so maybe I’ll be the first to test the waters and take feed back. Let’s face it no one likes a tweeter hole in disc golf, but what if it were a 4.5, and it added a bit of risk reward to the final outcome for folks who were willing to take the chance to edge someone out of a half stroke.

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How would it result in edging someone by a half-stroke? Their scores are still going to be in whole numbers.

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Old 12-17-2018, 11:16 AM
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The effects of x.5 pars that come to mind are that they might accurately describe a hole as a tweener (scoring-wise), but would just add messy math to reporting scores in relation to par.

They better question might not be "Why can't holes be a par 3.5....?", but "Why should they?" What benefit would be gained?

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So how do i score HALF a stroke/throw?

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The .5 would better describe the holes difficulty.
Nothing worse than a hole that only birdies are scored by a fluke shot, and same goes with all the holes on tour, which are too many to count, that are a cakewalk par 4 that’s 515’ that the pros mostly birdy.
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So how do i score HALF a stroke/throw?
You don’t, just a better valuation of a holes difficulty.
A diver scores in .x, a gymnast is scored in .x

Why not a par 68.5 course.
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The .5 would better describe the holes difficulty.
Nothing worse than a hole that only birdies are scored by a fluke shot, and same goes with all the holes on tour, which are too many to count, that are a cakewalk par 4 that’s 515’ that the pros mostly birdy.
Yes, but is that accurate description important enough to be listing scores as -11.5, -10.5, etc.?
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Another, rather pedantic, observation is that par is defined as the "expected score", and x.5 is never the expected score.

Perhaps it's a way of saying, on a particularly hole, that there is no expected score. But, again, is that bit of clarity worth the effort?

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The .5 would better describe the holes difficulty.
Nothing worse than a hole that only birdies are scored by a fluke shot, and same goes with all the holes on tour, which are too many to count, that are a cakewalk par 4 that’s 515’ that the pros mostly birdy.
This kinda sounds like you are talking about two different groups of players though?

What is a fluke shot? Tree kick? In all the Par talks and posts I still don't understand why a birdie is an expected possibility for everyone on every hole?

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