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Old 12-03-2018, 07:04 PM
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This is just one person's made-up interpretation and carries no weight, probably because it's vague and completely unenforceable. 30 seconds is measurable. "As promptly as possible" is so ambiguous that it effectively has no meaning.
Yeah, because the 30 seconds as stated in the rules gets enforced so strictly as the rule is written. If we're not going to pull out a stop watch on every throw, the 30 seconds is unenforceable too.

Given a choice, I think if we're going to have a time limit, make it a real time limit. And define exactly when it starts (already done) AND any and all conditions in which it can be paused, stopped, or re-set. Otherwise, my interpretation of the rule is as valid as anyone arguing that the clock does reset at every "distraction".

If we want precision in rules enforcement, we need precision in the rules themselves. I'm all for precision and would welcome clarification one way or the other in the next rules updated.
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Old 12-03-2018, 08:00 PM
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Yeah, because the 30 seconds as stated in the rules gets enforced so strictly as the rule is written. If we're not going to pull out a stop watch on every throw, the 30 seconds is unenforceable too.

Given a choice, I think if we're going to have a time limit, make it a real time limit. And define exactly when it starts (already done) AND any and all conditions in which it can be paused, stopped, or re-set. Otherwise, my interpretation of the rule is as valid as anyone arguing that the clock does reset at every "distraction".

If we want precision in rules enforcement, we need precision in the rules themselves. I'm all for precision and would welcome clarification one way or the other in the next rules updated.
IMO extrapolation of rules should go in the direction of allowing things rather than disallowing. Basically if it isn't proscribed then it is permitted. Once we start extrapolating the other way we have opened a whole new can of worms.

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Old 12-04-2018, 05:49 PM
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Yeah, because the 30 seconds as stated in the rules gets enforced so strictly as the rule is written. If we're not going to pull out a stop watch on every throw, the 30 seconds is unenforceable too.
No. You're conflating "enforceable" with "enforced". Those two words have different meaning.

Your suggested timing of "as promptly as possible" is completely arbitrary and subjective, and there is no way to make it enforceable, even if you wanted to. On the other hand, 30 seconds is precisely defined and objective, and anyone could measure it and enforce it if desired. The fact that some people choose not to enforce it is a separate issue.
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"A player has taken excessive time if they are present and have not thrown within 30 seconds ... after the playing area is clear and free of distractions."

I think this is perfectly clear. If there is a distraction the player has only taken excessive time if they do not throw within 30 seconds of that distraction going away. In other words the 30 second clock resets with a distraction.

What's unclear about that? Seriously, not trolling.

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Played in Ohio doubles and wonder if this is legal. Player A tees off and then runs down the fairway to see if his disc is in good place before partner tees off.
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Perhaps it's determined that you're not the away player . . . That would be quite the conundrum. Either courtesy violation for playing out of turn, or 30 second violation (and perhaps several) . . .
I think this goes against the spirit of the game, and failing that seems technically illegal for advancing beyond the lie of the away player, as Dan mentioned.

I say the opponents are within their right to call shenanigans and get their brooms.
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:32 PM
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"A player has taken excessive time if they are present and have not thrown within 30 seconds ... after the playing area is clear and free of distractions."

I think this is perfectly clear. If there is a distraction the player has only taken excessive time if they do not throw within 30 seconds of that distraction going away. In other words the 30 second clock resets with a distraction.

What's unclear about that? Seriously, not trolling.
Define distraction.
That's what's unclear, imo.
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Old 12-04-2018, 08:55 PM
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Define distraction.
That's what's unclear, imo.
Unfortunately that cannot be clearly defined, but I think it's one of those things where 99.99% of the time it's pretty clear whether there was a legitimate distraction or someone was trying to game the rules.

But once a distraction can be agree upon, I think resetting the clock is pretty clear.

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Define distraction.
That's what's unclear, imo.
One of my most common distractions is the fact that I have to fart.
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Old 12-05-2018, 09:25 AM
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One of my most common distractions is the fact that I have to fart.
It's even more of a distraction after you don't have to fart, Matt...

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The best solution would be to have the opposing card go down the fairway and spot. They can then relay information back to teebox as to whether or not the disc is inbounds. Then the cards would switch spotting.

For the people that would say cheating might occur, the answer is yes, it might. But if that happens, the other card has a chance to cheat too.
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