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Old 07-10-2017, 04:22 PM
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Default Old(er) dudes....what if?

JohnE McCray (1024 rated master), Ken Climo (1024 rated master) and other older high rated masters, grandmasters (Ron Convers 999 rated), etc, etc. For these old(er) dudes who still have current high ratings in today's competitive pdga tournament trail, I'm starting to think that if they were 15-20 years younger and throwing today's improved plastic they would have no problem beating the top players of today. 27 year old JohnE going up against a 27 year old McBeth. I'd have to go with 27 year old McCray hands down.

Am I flat out wrong or do you agree?
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Old 07-10-2017, 04:25 PM
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The '95-'96 Bulls would have totally beaten the Warriors...

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Old 07-10-2017, 04:30 PM
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Meh, kids these days are stronger, fitter, faster and more athletic than the generation before them. Not just in DG but in all sports. World Records are still broken every year and yes some of that can be because of better equipment but a lot also has to do with the slightly evolved human species just being better at things.

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Old 07-10-2017, 04:32 PM
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JohnE McCray (1024 rated master), Ken Climo (1024 rated master) and other older high rated masters, grandmasters (Ron Convers 999 rated), etc, etc. For these old(er) dudes who still have current high ratings in today's competitive pdga tournament trail, I'm starting to think that if they were 15-20 years younger and throwing today's improved plastic they would have no problem beating the top players of today. 27 year old JohnE going up against a 27 year old McBeth. I'd have to go with 27 year old McCray hands down.

Am I flat out wrong or do you agree?
27 y.o. JohnE with 50-something y.o. JohnE's mental game and experience might beat 27 y.o. McBeast once in a while, but 27 y.o. JohnE with 27 y.o. JohnE's mental game and experience gets his ass handed to him every time.


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Old 07-10-2017, 04:43 PM
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Meh, kids these days are stronger, fitter, faster and more athletic than the generation before them. Not just in DG but in all sports. World Records are still broken every year and yes some of that can be because of better equipment but a lot also has to do with the slightly evolved human species just being better at things.
It's impossible to know, of course, but this is my thought too. In sports where performance is objectively measured, players keep getting better over the decades.

The other consideration is that while Climo and McBeth are both among the cream of the crop in their time, McBeth is the cream of a much larger crop. With a bigger pool of players, all starting at younger ages, it's more likely that more higher-level athletes are part of our sport now than when it was a tenth this size.

But it's still impossible to know.

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Old 07-10-2017, 04:43 PM
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For that matter you can ask: Would a 45 year old Mcbeth beat a 45 year old McCray or Climo? These "what if" scenarios are a waste of time, but speculate all you want.
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Old 07-10-2017, 04:45 PM
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They still didn't have forehands when they were 27, so I say no.

I'm sure if they came up playing in this era, they would have that shot.

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Old 07-10-2017, 05:12 PM
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I ran this sequence in my Universal Generator of History (UGH), and the problem is if McRay, McBeth, Wysocki, and Lizotte were all 27 at the same time there are several changes that make disc golf comparisons impossible.

McBeth is playing 2nd base for the Philadelphia Phillies, Wysocki is the star goalie for the Toronto Maple Leafs, and Lizotte is the front man and lead guitar for the Deutsche Bankers. All are making in excess of $8 million per year.

I suppose that's no help, sorry.

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I have to agree that a 27 year old McCray might not be as amazing as he is now.

Besides the FH issue, his silky-smooth turnover Shield shot and similar ones would be 18 years less developed. In other words, the incredible lines he can shape and the confidence in his putts wouldn't have had nearly as much time spent perfecting them as he does now at 45.

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I have to agree that a 27 year old McCray might not be as amazing as he is now.

Besides the FH issue, his silky-smooth turnover Shield shot and similar ones would be 18 years less developed. In other words, the incredible lines he can shape and the confidence in his putts wouldn't have had nearly as much time spent perfecting them as he does now at 45.
You should change your name to TheOlderBill.

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