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Question #1- What do patent numbers mean, I found an old patent number beast with tons of pearls.

Question #2- Is a PD2 really a 12 speed? Its rim is .2cm more than a destroyer.

Question #3- What does 2 line/ 1 line mean on a destroyer? Can I get some pics?
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Old 04-15-2017, 10:35 PM
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Question #1- What do patent numbers mean, I found an old patent number beast with tons of pearls.

Question #2- Is a PD2 really a 12 speed? Its rim is .2cm more than a destroyer.

Question #3- What does 2 line/ 1 line mean on a destroyer? Can I get some pics?
Innova had a patent on their discs for years. The old discs with the patent on them are lover by many players.

Speed is only relevant within each manufacturer.

3 line and three line refer to runs of avery jenkins destroyers. The stamp had 2 different versions. They each flew a little different.
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Old 04-15-2017, 10:53 PM
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Innova had a patent on their discs for years. The old discs with the patent on them are lover by many players.



two line and three line refer to runs of avery jenkins destroyers. The stamp had 2 different versions. They each flew a little different.
I have been trying to compile a timeline for the Innova stuff. As far as I can tell, most (Rancho Roc and maybe some others still have patent #'s on them) discs had it removed before 2011, maybe as early as 2010. They were definitely still on the discs after the flight #'s got added in 2009. As dwindcatcher said, many people just have a particular run of discs that they like, and markers like this and the flight #'s help to identify when they were made.

The oldest Avery Destroyers had two lines of text saying Avery Jenkins, 2009 PDGA World Champion. At some point the stamp was changed to 3 lines Avery Jenkins, 2009 PDGA, World Champion. I don't know when this change happened, but again, a way to identify when they were produced. Just tyoe 2 line Destroyer into Google image search. For me, the first shown is a 2 line and right next to it is a 3 line.

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These are the pics for the AJ Destroyers
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What are legacy's plastics in relation to Innova?

Are the clutches good for push putts?
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Old 04-18-2017, 12:21 AM
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What are legacy's plastics in relation to Innova?

Are the clutches good for push putts?
Excel = dx
Icon = Star
Pinnacle = Champ
Gravity = softer pro
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Legend is more like G Star than anything else, but it is usually more overstable as opposed to Gstar which is usually less.
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Are the clutches good for push putts?
Depends on if they feel right in the hand to you. Putting is almost too subjective for one person to say "X disc is good for push putting but bad for spin putting". More than any other type of disc, it just depends on who is using it. Putters can be the most frustrating to find exactly what you want. My advice would be to find a shape and plastic type you like, get a few of it, and just practice. If you like the feel of the Clutch and there is a Legacy putter plastic that feels good to you, jump in the deep end and get wet.
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Legend is more like G Star than anything else, but it is usually more overstable as opposed to Gstar which is usually less.
Every Legend disc I have held was significantly stiffer than Gstar. Maybe in appearance alone, but other than that, I am not sure I would agree. However, I will admit my sample size is not very large.

But your other plastic comparisons are obviously spot on.

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#1- Why doesn't the chief OS get any love, I went to pias looking for a harp but they were out. So I picked this thing up, similar profile and great feel in the gateway baseline plastic. It's nice and overstable and great for forehands. Anyone else throw these things?

#2 Also, I bought a used first run gateway evolution slayer, haven't thrown it yet. But I thought evolution plastic was supposed to be high end. It feels like a stiff baseline, is it more durable than it feels?
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