Orion LF 1.1 Mold

[Alcuin]

This might be an obscure question, but what is the 1.1 OLF composed of? I've heard Wraith top and Firebird bottom, but then I also heard that the 1.2s and 1.3s are somehow molded differently. (But shouldn't they be 2.1s and 2.2s then according to Millennium's naming scheme?). So what's the difference in mold between the runs of OLFs?

I love my 1.1s and 1.2s. A fresh 1.1, a seasoned 1.1, and a seasoned 1.2 cover most of the shots where I'm not throwing a Teebird.

[zj1002]

I believe the 1.1 OLF is the original Teerex top with a firebird bottom

The current runs of OLF for the past few years have been wraith/FB

[Pwingles]

Are the teerex tops desireable?

[jrawk]

are the 2006 worlds biggest 1.1 solf's the flat zipper topped variety?

[zj1002]

2006 most likely

Just gotta look for SOF or QOF

They didn't write an L on the 1.1s

[ZAMson]

Obscure Millennium questions are our specialty

Originally Posted by jrawk

are the 2006 worlds biggest 1.1 solf's the flat zipper topped variety?

I can confirm that they are. 2006 for sure, and I'm inclined to think 2007 as well, since it was an early Spring stamping run, and the earliest 1.2s I recall were more late Summer/Fall 2007. ZJ is correct about the SOF/QOF and SOLF/QOLF markings -- 1.1s have 3 letters, 1.2s have 4 letters.

We were just talking about the mold config -- I've not seen the original original Teerex top, as they were apparently made in such small numbers. He owns one and will bring it in soon.

The source for the Wraith+Firebird configuration "factoid" is directly from me, several years ago while I was Marketing Guy at Millennium. I trust ZJ's eye for mold parts and I don't doubt his assessment at all, but we're still gonna check out this Teerex together. I'm curious about its similarity to the Wraith top and won't be surprised to find I was wrong years ago

The first shoulda-been-2.1 configuration of the OLF came out in light weights of the 1.2 MOLF, and by 1.3 MOLF I think all weights were using it. That exact mold config was once tested by the MILL crew as a possible Orion LX. The distinguishing feature is that it has an abrupt flat-shelf-shoulder top, like you see in modern Teerex and Xcal. I always assumed it was the modern Teerex top for the 2.1 mold.

Honestly I haven't seen a new-production SOLF in a long time so I'm sticking to my recollections from 2006-2008 when I was at MILL.

[Pwingles]

Ive seen some odd SOLFs in the shop this year, archon ish top, maybe the xcal type top you were talking about. Either way, odd. Thoughts or insights?

[ZAMson]

Originally Posted by Pwingles

Ive seen some odd SOLFs in the shop this year, archon ish top, maybe the xcal type top you were talking about. Either way, odd. Thoughts or insights?

My #1 insight is this: Academy picked up the SOLF sometime between 2009 and 2011... these days I bet only 5-10% of SOLFs produced are reaching mainstream disc golf channels. Each run is lasting/shipping for a much shorter span than years past.

Modern SOLFs are cycling through runs and inherent variations at a pace more on par with the average Innova sleeper driver.

Also, run numbers stamped on MILL discs are never to be trusted with absolute certainty. Production needs > number-stamping accuracy. You may have to get deep into characteristics (i.e. buying from a fellow LF-head) to ensure a particular type.

[Alcuin]

I'm sitting here looking at a zipper top orange 1.1 QOLF and a 1.1 SOLF (marked QOF and SOF) and a milky white 1.2 QOLF (marked QOLF). I can see there are differences, but my eye is not attuned enough to the minutiae of disc parts to know what they are.

I'm really interested to find out about the Teerex top on the 1.1s. I've been saying all OLFs have Wraith tops for as long as I've thrown them, which was when my local shop had all their Millennium discs on closeout and I bought nearly everything they had (it was 50% off after all).

[Alcuin]

Originally Posted by ZAMson

Obscure Millennium questions are our specialty

Word. I knew I'd get some good info from you guys.