Indian Hills Is The Place You Should Be!
2 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Indian Hills is less than three miles from Albert Oakland Park and less than eight miles from the # 1 rated Harmony Bends and the three courses share many of the same characteristics owing to the fact that they are all three products of the Columbia Parks Department.
Indian Hills has the same great signs, the same washer system showing what position the basket is placed, the same nice concrete tee pads and the same Mach II baskets with the yellow number plates on the top. The large park has all the usual amenities plus the dog park near the start.
The first seven holes are more open before moving into a tighter, technical wooded course. The holes did mostly have a similar feel until I reached # 11. I think it's the signature hole here. It's about 350', requires an annie or fade and only the yellow plate of the basket shows from the tee. Then when you reach the basket, you find it set in this cool, little indentation. All around cool hole.
Cons: I thought this course mostly has an old school feel to it's design. The first 10 holes were either straight or required a hyser. The last 7 holes all played between 201 and 249'. After having just played Harmony Bends with it's incredible variety of holes the day before, Indian Hills seemed so redundant by comparison. But it's really not fair to compare any course to Harmony Bends.
Other reviewers have complained about the flow or navigation of the course but I didn't have that much trouble finding my way around. I had to back track once or twice.
Other Thoughts: Indian Hills is one of those courses that has just enough challenge, is convenient enough and probably gets a lot of play. I can understand the attraction. It's a very solid course. If I lived close, I'm sure I'd be perfectly content to play many enjoyable, safe rounds here. But I also think, I'd probably be forever gazing at other, more attractive courses. Gees, this sounds much like many of my longtime married friends. Not me, of course! I've never once had the inclination to even glance at another woman.
2 of 2 people found this review helpful.
Fun, technical course
5 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: + Tight, technical course that rewards shot selection and shot shaping.
+ I expected the brush and undergrowth to be much worse than it actually was. The course was in outstanding condition when I played it leading up to and during the Mid America Open.
+ Signs were great for the MAO. Everything was clearly marked and easy to find.
+ Concrete teepads were in great shape.
+ All holes played relatively fairly. There are birdie opportunities, but require you to make a risk/reward decision if you want to go for them and how you approach them.
+ Many cedar trees add to the difficulty of the course. If you make an effort to avoid them, you are likely playing for par. But if you get aggressive and end up in them, bogey is much more likely.
+ Most holes require only a mid-range and a putter, with an occasional fairway driver shot mixed in. Shaping lines and staying in the fairway is much more rewarding than distance.
+ This is a course that can bridge the gap between big arm guys and the rest of us. Holes 2 and 18 are really the only holes where a 400+ ft drive is needed.
+ Good variety of BH, FH, hyzer, anhyzer shots mixed throughout the entire course.
+ Good flow. No jumping across fairways required.
Cons: - Hole 13 is just brutal! I spent 20 minutes during a practice round trying to find a line to get within 50 feet of the pin. It wasn't there for me. And laying up for par wasn't a gimme either.
- There's a dog park on the premises, but there was no water facilities for the dogs. (My dog is my DG buddy and goes everywhere with me so it was disappointing, especially on a hot day when he was practically out of water by the last few holes.)
Other Thoughts: * I really enjoyed this course, much more than I expected I would. I look forward to going back again.
5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
Challenging with a lot of potential
0 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: Very challenging fairways for most the course. Nice tee pads with space around them to find decent lines.
New Course map and gathering point makes the starting location easier to find.
Cons: Many baskets do not stand out against the tree bark surrounding them, making it hard to gauge distances.
Other Thoughts: Improvements are being made and it shows.
0 of 1 people found this review helpful.
More like " Indian Trees "
0 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: A very pretty course with some very technical shots. Its a pleasent course that will really test you. Wooded Wooded Wooded
Cons: Plan on doing a little extra walking because you can't see half the pins from the tee pad and you'll definitely want to spot the pin before you throw. Wooded Wooded Wooded
Other Thoughts: A technical course that really gives you a chance to dig into your arsenal. You"ll throw every type of shot and the best score will go to the most versatile player.
0 of 1 people found this review helpful.
0 Helpful / 5 Not
Great pro course that has some design issues
Pros: This is a long Pro course that intermediate players may find very challenging to play. It switches from long with trees to shorter on the woods. I've only shot 60 once. Incredible challenge. Precision shots required with extreme length.
Cons: Confusing layout and long walks between some holes.
Other Thoughts: My favorite pro course in Missouri
0 of 5 people found this review helpful.
7 Helpful / 6 Not
Pros: The holes taken individually are mostly amazing masterpieces that offer a huge challenge to a good player.
I've upgraded my review score after looking at the pictures online again and realizing that it is listed at a legitimate par 59. My round rating was pretty exceptional at that par and would have been pretty bad on a par 54.
I see it more fairly now, but it still has some flow issues and some very badly placed pins.
Cons: The overall design of this course is a nightmare. It is easy to follow the flow of the course for the first four holes, and then all of the structural issues become apparent. There are some horrible areas of rough full of dangerous briars that left me bloodied.
The first problem is that the 4th basket is placed down a narrow walking path beyond what should be an open green (though there would be trees). It's a very long hole that very few of the big bombers could reach, and it would only be fair that the basket be accessible for a deuce. What further makes this a bad placement is that it is right next to the basket for hole #13 and there is great confusion as to where to go next.
Getting to the 5th tee requires backtracking across what should be the 4th green, taking a short path that crosses the 7th green and then turning left. There are no markings whatsoever to indicate this, and it is very dangerous to backtrack across two greens. If the green were out in the open, it would be obvious to turn left (they could let the path to the current pin grow over so that no one enters the 13th green).
The next step would be to completely redesign the next few holes. The green for #7 should become the #5 tee and go from there. This is an incredible piece of land and it would be very easy to rearrange these 3 holes in a way that winds back around to the tee at #8 (a very easy hole that could also simply be done away with and another hole inserted somewhere to make up for it, perhaps then renumbering #9 as #8 and going from there).
The 9th and 10th holes are fine, but the 11th should move the tee about 15 feet to the left. It seems that the designer wanted to challenge right handers with a forced and extreme anhyzer, but failed to recognize that the angle is far too extreme and there is no play whatsoever for a lefty. The pin is brilliantly hidden down in an arroyo, so there is no need at all to make the tee shot that technical or difficult since the challenge is at the green.
The 12th hole is a disaster. It is far too difficult, and it is virtually impossible to make a good tee shot, even for placement (again, I am a lefty and even a right hander with a perfect turnover shot is barely going to get placement in the fairway out to 200 feet. The long pin placement should also be eliminated. There is absolutely no way to make a putt on that position, even if one were to have a drive reach within 50 feet. The short pin should be the permanent pin, as it is also located right next to the path to the 13th tee.
The 13th seems to be considered one of the signature holes, but it is one of the worst holes on the course (a tornado seems to have blown through the night before and the basket was covered with a tree, as was the tee on #11). There are no lines to reach the green for a left handed player and almost no line anywhere for a right hander. It is 220 and slightly uphill, which should be an easy midrange, even for a guy of 53 like me, yet it is nearly impossible to get a drive in the middle even halfway up the fairway. This could be solved by strategically removing approximately 4-8 trees on each side of the fairway.
The 14th could also benefit from some strategic cutting of maybe 3 or 4 trees on each side of the fairway.
The 15th is a perfect hole.
The 16th is a complete disaster. It is unreachable for a left handed player. At least a dozen trees to the left need to be removed to make this hole fair to both players.
The 17th hole suffers from almost exactly the same problem as the 16th, with no paths to the basket to the left. It is short and could be reached easily for the deuce, but I fired a driver straight up the middle and was 50 feet past the hole. It is impossible for a lefty to turn it left against slope and through that many trees. I had a difficult approach--the protected green is a fine challenge--and did leave it within 5 feet for an easy par, but the hole should be fair to both right and left handed players and should have fair routes for both to potentially get a deuce.
The 18th is a little bland for a finishing hole, but there are no structural issues and it is fair.
Other Thoughts: I would have loved each hole if the course layout were more friendly and if a few holes were more balanced.
It is a wonderful piece of land that could be a championship course, but it is poorly cared for after this storm and has quite a few very bad design flaws.
Fix those and it's one of the best courses I've ever seen.
7 of 13 people found this review helpful.
4 Helpful / 0 Not
Nice Park Course
Pros: A good mix of open and wooded holes. The front nine is relatively open, but still requires shaping your drive to a specific line to work around the trees that are there. The back nine is much tighter, with narrow fairways.
Hole lengths vary from 220' to about 440', with the longer holes being in the open areas of the course. Good mix of right and left-finishing holes, with a couple of true tunnel holes in the woods.
For the most part I didn't find the wooded holes unreasonably tight. They had narrow fairways which needed to be hit, but they were fair. I do think that hole 16 is just too narrow and really more of a plinko hole. Removing a few trees would improve it.
Excellent concrete tee pads, large and flat. Good baskets. The couple of "new signs" that were installed looked nice.
Cons: The old tee signs are really showing their age. Little useful information as far as the layout of the hole. The few new signs that were up looked much better. Hopefully the full set will be installed soon.
Course flow was a little difficult in some areas. Unfortunately the "next tee" signs are virtually useless. Printing out the map helped.
Minimal elevation on the course. I disagree with the description of "Moderately Hilly" but didn't change it as other reviewers haven't mentioned it.
Other Thoughts: This is a solid course that would benefit from completing the sign update and some better "next hole" indicators. It was terribly muddy the day I played, but the area had gotten a lot of rain.
4 of 4 people found this review helpful.
0 Helpful / 3 Not
Ohhh the Hills
Pros: Fun design, mix of shots and can be very difficult for newer players
Cons: Can be very difficult for newer players due to it being heavily wooded and holes not being clearly marked
Other Thoughts: Local club works to keep in decent shape. hopefully tee pads will be fixed as well as maps and hole locations being updated.
0 of 3 people found this review helpful.
1 Helpful / 2 Not
Pros: -Some cool holes
-not crowded (didn't see a single disc golfer from 4 to 6 on a Tuesday)
-It will most definitely challenge your accuracy
Cons: -Unclear where tees are when going from hole to hole.
- Many of the fairways are more like hiking paths rather than disc fairways
-there is a lot of low branch growth in the fairways/near the baskets
-tee maps on each hole (aside from the ones missing their signs) are not too helpful
-Many of the baskets are blind shots; not good if playing alone especially for the first time
-lots of poison ivy/oak on the sides of the tight fairways (luckily I am not allergic but none the less)
Other Thoughts: This is a very technical course with a lot of challenges. There are not many options for those who are not really good AM or Pro unless you want to go rummaging through the poison Ivy/Oak.
In regards to the direction of "1st tee by swing set" There are three swing sets. If you park in the lot at 5009 Aztec Blvd. the swing set that is mentioned is to the right (the opposite direction of the basketball court)
1 of 3 people found this review helpful.
3 Helpful / 2 Not
Not As Fun as I Was Thinking
Pros: - Nice Teepads
- Nice Baskets
- Easy Directions to get to the park
- Fairly Easy flow from one hole to the next
- The Newer tee signs are absolutely beautiful
- Good mix of every shot is needed to complete this course
- A Good Mix of Distances as well
Cons: - So many Unfairways. There are a lot of holes that are more of a luck shot then they are a skill shot and makes about half of the holes not fun to play.
- Low Cielings on about half of the holes. For me being really tall this is a big issue for me. There were so many holes that just were not fun to play because there was no legitimate way to hit a gap with the cielings.
- Lots of Very Very Very tight holes where there might be about a 5' gap to hit a hundred feet down the fairway. Making for some unpleasent holes.
- Lots of low hanging branches right over the teeboxs. Not an issue if you are short but for me the were really annoying.
- There were "Next Tee Signs" at the base of most pins but it was impossible to tell which way there were telling you to go.
- Markers telling you which position the pin is in would help a lot since there were a couple times when I threw to the wrong basket.
Other Thoughts: - On the PDGA site it says that hole 1's tee is by the swingset. But there are 3 swingsets in site. Go to the oldest looking one.
- The Front half was a lot more enjoyable to play since you were not stuck in your shot selection. Where as the back half there was really only one way to play the hole.
- There is a mando on hole 1 that I didnt even see until I got up to it, so look out for that.
-Probably wont go back and play again until the course gets manicured better to not just play to shorter people.
3 of 5 people found this review helpful.
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