Moraine-On a Budget
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Pros: Pymatuning is an absolutely beautiful State Park. Great walking trails, many activities surrounding the massive lake. This place would be absolutely perfect for a family day in the summertime, as I can see the chance for a full day of fun-filled things to do.
The course itself is quite nice as well. The holes are well designed, weaving around the fields on one side of the lake, with enough trees to challenge both distance and accuracy.
The open holes require distance off the tee from all tees, but there is also an emphasis on placement. To hit your line may not be too hard, but if you are 10 feet left or right of the landing zone, you may be forced to pitch up to a better area, or throw a shot that you may not be too happy with.
The slightly wooded, slightly open holes are more line based, with a required 300-350 off the tee, through a designated gap. To go off the fairway would be trouble, and there is nothing to do about it.
The very wooded holes require mostly accuracy, with little distance, as there are only really two that I can think of. They are also tough, as a single tree can send you all the way to bogeytown.
Overall, the course has a good flow, with well-designed holes, in an area that seemed mostly dedicated to disc golf. It was overall, a great outline to a championship course.
Cons: I am usually not one to complain about amenities, and I will say again and again that design is ten times more important than anything else, but there are a few things that have to be noted.
Gravel/Natural tee pads- Gravel is slick and loose, worse than running on grass, which is still not optimal. Concrete, turf, even rubber would improve this course immensely.
Tee signs- Pretty basic, distance, tee, hole and par. No map, and when there are a lot of long holes where the basket cannot be seen, an extra helper would be great.
Baskets- Blah, blah, Mach III, Blah. I know everybody hears things about Mach IIIs. I know they don't suck, but they still aren't my favorite.
The grass was mowed somewhat recently, but would still reach your heel at some points, and the rough could get nasty. Also some low-hanging branches were in place. Overall, could be improved, but certainly playable.
As well designed as the holes were, you would throw the same, distance drive off the tee on all the big holes. With so many woods in the park, they could have come into play more, same with the water. No real "wow" hole comes to mind.
Other Thoughts: Overall, Pymatuming is a very solid course, in a town that could use some more courses. I could see it work it's way to a solid 3.5 or even a 4 with an increase in maintenance and an overall amenity upgrade.
Would I recommend that you place this course if you are in the area? Yes. Drive an hour out of your way? No
There are courses all across PA that can satisfy the need to play, and this would fit the bill, but it lacks a certain special addition to make me want to keep on coming back.
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Where the birdies walk on the fish
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Other Thoughts: Pymatuning is an excellent course, mostly open with some tighter holes, OB, and some longer holes that come to pinch points and require accurate placement as well as distance. There are a couple of shorter holes at the beginning that have a similar or kind of a generic feel to them, but after that every hole feels unique and has its own character. The multi-shot holes really make the course. Each one is different and many of them play out in sections - your first shot plays to a landing zone and then you have to navigate through a gap or cut around a corner.
There is some tall grass, but it's not bad and the fairways are generous. Tall grass should be played OB. Ends with a short water carry over an inlet of the lake, which is visible for much of the course.
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Pros: This is an awesome course in a beautiful BIG park. This course will utilize every shot in your bag & then some. There are bathrooms throughout course if needed. Very easy to navigate course.
Cons: Tee boxes are gravel & uneven & I didn't trust them since some were uneven. Some signs need replaced. Hole #17 & #18 can see your disc in the water if overshot. Low ceilings on a couple different holes throughout course.
Other Thoughts: This course had great flow and was easy to navigate. Cement tee pads would make this course a 4* course in my opinion. I had nothing but good to say about this course throughout. I drove for 2 hours to play this course and wasn't disappointed.
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Pros: Pymatuning is a bomber's dream, set in an enormous state park filled with all kinds of things to do. The course offers different hole types and lengths with a good blend of ace/birdie runs and long par 4's and 5's. Most of the course plays long and open, with eight holes over 500 feet from the long tees. This is the course's focus and feel throughout, with a par of 66 - five par 4's and three par 5's. The longer holes are varied as they offer a mix of open bombs and more moderately wooded holes. Regardless of what level you are at, you will throw a satisfying amount of long drives and upshots.
The more open bombs have thoughtful design in using the provided elevation changes and the nearby water on 17 and 18. The longer wooded holes force you to hit stretched out lanes among trees and get tighter as you approach the basket. Hole 4 is the best example of this - 810 feet from the blue tee with a well-protected pin. 13 is another multi-stage hole that plays uphill through a row of trees and then downhill over a small creek.
Three tee and pin positions are offered, giving a nice variety to the level that you want to play at. Almost every par 4 and 5 has two permanent baskets, making those holes even more dynamic. The baskets have bright orange circles displaying numbers on the top, making them easy to spot out. Many baskets are blind, so there are a few aids to help you locate the basket easier. Hole 11 is a uphill then downhill shot with a blind basket that has a tall sign mounted on top of it.
There are bathrooms conveniently located throughout the course.
Navigation is straight-forward for the most part. There is a long walk from 9-10 but it starts right on the other side of 1's tee, conveniently making two nine-hole loops.
Cons: If you like long bombs, this is definitely your course. I enjoyed the variety of long holes, but I would have preferred the course to have a few more tighter, technical holes within the densely wooded areas to give it more variety. Only hole 15 is designed this way. This is just a personal preference of mine.
Most of the tee signs don't have maps on them, which would be nice to have on a course as long as this one.
Most of the tees are either natural or gravel and they weren't always even. Not a huge problem, but one worth noting.
The course isn't as well maintained as other state parks in the area, like Moraine or some of the Eastern Ohio state park courses. The course was in good shape for the most part, but there was taller grass in and around some of the fairways.
The course uses the elevation that is provided, but it is mostly flat here.
Be prepared for longer walks between holes.
Other Thoughts: Set at over 8,500 feet, this course is a big arm's dream. I can see a range of players liking this course, with three different tees offered. I think even new players would enjoy themselves here playing from the reds since there aren't many risk factors that come into play.
It can initially be confusing finding the course, especially if you are someone who simply plugs the address into your GPS. Make sure you follow the instructions on the course page, looking for signs for beach 2. The main entrance of the southern end of the park won't get you there, take West Lake Road. The course begins near boat docks and there is a parking area down by the water and a playground.
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Pros: 1) Good variety of left and right doglegs
2) Some elevation changes
3) Beautiful views of lake and marina
4) Challenging length
5) Highlight holes: 13, 14, 18
Cons: 1) No concrete tee pads
2) Fly pads are slick af when wet
3) Low ceilings on quite a few holes that are over 500'
4) Grass too high
Other Thoughts: This course sits on some good property with small hills and a few trees to provide added challenge. The course plays long. From the white tees, it's approximately 7,000'.
One of the things you notice first about the course is its proximity to the lake. Beautiful and serene views of the lake from many holes. Water comes into play on a few holes....17 and 18 come to mind in particular.
The layout of the course is challenging and should provide some room for you to air out some big bomber drives, but, unfortunately, many of the holes have extremely low ceilings with branches and leaves hanging down that prevent a good rip. To compound this problem, you can't even do a roller because the grass is so tall that it will eat your drive up in a hurry.
To make matters even worse, the tees are either fly pad or gravel, and most of these aren't level. On a course with numerous 500'+ holes, IMO you need concrete tees so you can really rip one down field to have a chance to par it. Some of the holes with fly pads don't even have full fly pads...they're falling apart and disintegrating. And even if the fly pad isn't rotted out, it's still slick when it rains so be careful.
Negatives aside, this course has a lot of potential. The layout of the course is not the problem here, so luckily it can be fixed. Pour some concrete pads and trim the low hanging branches and cut the grass and you turn a 3/5 course into a 3.5 or 4/5 course!
The course has a nice mix of lefty and righty holes, although me being a RHBH thrower, I noticed that quite a few holes had a slight advantage for lefty or FH cshots.
Most of the holes are in the open, with a few well placed trees to make it more challenging. There are a few holes, such as 15, that are tightly wooded. There are also a few hills to spice things up. There's potential for roll away putts on a few holes.
All in all, this course is not bad and has the potential to be great. I played the Keystone Classic last weekend and was told that the club is just getting organized in this area and will be making improvements to the course in due time. I can't wait until its seen some TLC because this is like grandma's muscle car that has been in the garage for 20 years. It needs some work, but when you put the work in, it will pop, both visually and performance-wise.
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Great course for those not quite ready for the championship-level courses
Pros: -A lot of variety of holes (open, wooded, water, uphill, downhill, doglegs, etc.)
-Challenging for novice/intermediate
-Great practice for advanced/pros
-Restrooms are easily accessible during play
Cons: -Tees are not in great shape and very slick when wet (red tees are just grass).
-I never found a course map and the layout was not intuitive to me. Course needs to be marked better.
-Only one tee had a hole diagram which made blind shots very challenging since I didn't know where the basket was.
Other Thoughts: I played in the Keystone Classic, so course navigation was easier since my group had played the course before. Someone just playing a casual round for the first time would struggle to navigate the course without a map.
The local club is currently raising funds (to be matched by the state park) to replace the tees in time for next season. This will make a big difference in the playability.
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Pros: -2 to 3 tees and multiple baskets on every hole gives alot of options
-gravel tees on front 9
-very easy to follow, had no course map, played alone with no info and found my way around without a problem
-many par 4s, that have very good distances: good drives are rewarded with easier upshots:
-nice views of the lake along a few holes
-rolling hills throughout the course, but no extreme elevation shots
Cons: -most of the par 4s/5s had a VERY similar tee shot- long flip up straight shots with very little fade. bring understable discs!
-poorly done flypads on the back 9. very bumpy and uneven, also the ones in the woods were so slippery from pollen and dirt that even throwing stand still on them was very difficult :( wish they had gravel tees on the whole course
Other Thoughts: bit out of the way as nothing is nearby, but an easy 30minute drive from rt 79 that is definitely worth it
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Scenic Golfing in Northeast PA
Pros: -Course layout: really nice layout, it's somewhat sprawling but feels like a golf course. Not much elevation change, but seems to be well utilized. For the most part, we had no trouble navigating the course without a map on our first visit.
-Course maintenance: Very nicely cut "fairways" with some thicker rough to give you some troubles if you don't hit the fairways. Really thick brush will generally punish you and force a throw just to get back on to clear ground.
-Hole variety: seemed to be well balanced with no RH/LH bias. Maybe only 2-3 holes felt like repeats. Multiple baskets (while not utilized by us) looked to offer a pretty good challenge for more advanced players.
-Scenery: This would have have been a great walk through the park, the fact that we were playing disc golf just made it more fun. I especially like holes like 8 and 18 which offered great views of the lake and 14 which offered an unexpected great view of the lake.
-Restrooms: For the most part these were located within a reasonable walk from the course without causing a major delay in play.
Cons: Most of these cons should be taken as minor hits against the course, not major negatives. All could likely be easily remedied.
-Tee pads: While I would say they were all comfortable to throw from, they varied from gravel on the front 9 to flypads/natural on the back nine. It'd be nice to see flypads on the front nine. A couple of the flypads on the back nine are in need of replacement.
-Tee signs: Back nine signs were really nice, but the front nine (newer portion of the course) could use an upgrade to match the back nine. The signs showing the direction to hole 12 and all of the tee signs for 18 are missing.
-Garbage cans: I didn't see a single one on the course and this is kind of a pet peeve of mine. There wasn't any trash or broken glass on the course so it is obviously well maintained but the only place I could conveniently hit a trash can was on our walk from 9 to 10.
Other Thoughts: Overall my wife and I had a great time playing this course and we were somewhat surprised that we were the lone disc golfers on the course. I played from the red tees for the front nine and the whites for the back nine. I really enjoyed the layout of the course, while there are many holes that will have you reaching for your drivers they will likely be fairway drivers because of a clump of trees in just the right location. While the woods are fairly sparse on the course the trees that are there really force you to hit some accurate tee shots. I think the pars were fair and the different tee positions offered appropriate challenges for a wide variety of disc golfers.
One note on the long grass along the fairways (and I'm sure this is seasonal) but they are full of bees. On several holes we could hear the buzzing like we were standing next to a hive, but they were all scattered throughout the flowers in the rough. So if you have allergies, take your epipen! Everyone else may want to include some Benadryl in their bag even if you aren't allergic.
The park as a whole is somewhat remote so I would recommend planning a full day to take in some of the other available recreational opportunities like swimming, fishing, playgrounds (for the kids), and picnic tables. I suppose you could also just play another round! Regardless, this course is definitely worth hitting up for a round. We'll be back for sure!
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Come in with bug spray; leave with bengay
Pros: - An excellent blend of big-arm open-air bombing holes and holes that require accurate, technical throws to navigate the trees. On some holes, you have to do both in the same hole.
- Utilizes a variety of shots. I threw so many variations of hyzer and anhyzer angles to navigate the doglegs; I threw tomahawks and thumbers; I threw rollers to navigate the fairways peppered with trees. So many shots will be needed, so bring a decent bag with you!
- More elevation than I anticipated. We're not talking super steep hills--just rolling hills that vary enough to make for blind shots and slight downhill and uphill approaches to the basket.
- Water comes in play on #14 (kinda) and definitely on #18. The big risk here, more or less, is rolls or skips into the reservoir off the fairway, so it definitely adds an element of concentration and fun!
- Distinct lines are present on many holes for red, white, blue, and gold tees. As such, each tee has a line that rewards the respective skill level. In this regard, the tees are accurately rated, IMO.
- Many pins are well guarded by trees. You better have a good upshot game to try and make par or better.
- All 18 holes are now complete, and there arent any navigation issues. Aside from some long walks to the tee (see cons), you should be fine finding every hole.
Cons: - The gravel tees here are terrible for run-ups. The gravel is really thick, too--none of that nice crushed stuff. I know that the DCNR will never pour concrete, but flypads would be nice.
- Long walks between some tees. It's definitely more of an issue on the back nine as it is on the front nine. The course could use some "next tee" signs, as there's only one between #17-18.
- The less fun aspects of nature are quite prevalent here. And I'm talking of course about bugs and poison ivy. Watch out especially on hole #13, as there's quite a bit growing in the middle of the fairway between the tee and pin.
- Not a big fan of the dual pins on a lot of holes. From far away, it's hard to tell whether the pin belongs to gold/blue or red/white shots and is kind of annoying for a first timer.
- Wind from the reservoir can be a factor. I noticed some heavy gusts on the back nine, but I'm sure it's a hazard on all 18 holes.
Other Thoughts: It's fitting that PA's largest state park is also one of the largest disc golf courses in the state park system if you add up the hole lengths (Codorus and Tyler are larger, but are also 27 holes).
This course is a no brainer if you live in NW PA or are visiting the area. I waited to play here when all 18 holes were done and it was well worth the wait! Can't wait til Prompton is done being worked on so I can compare the two!
It's definitely different than some of the quality courses south of it (Moraine, Deer Lakes, Knob Hill, etc.) in that the course is far more open and less wooded. I would also say that, from the red tees, a beginner would have an easier time playing here than some of the quality courses in the Pittsburgh Area. Well, except for the noodle arm part.
During the summer months, taking a dip in the reservoir is almost mandatory! :)
From what I understand, the PA State Park Points Series will culimate at this park for the championship. After playing at places like Nockamixon and Pinchot, the competitors should really have fun airing out some discs.
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Air it out at Pymatuning
Scenic, well maintained course in a large state park with all the amenities that come with, including several clean bathrooms (with running water), pavilions, camp sites, and lots more: http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/s...ion/index.htm
• Interesting set up: Thirteen "Par 3" holes with three tees and a single basket, plus five "Par 4/5"holes featuring dual tees and dual baskets, with the extra (blue) basket in a longer, harder to reach position for those seeking greater challenge. This allows you to play a red, white, blue, or gold level layout... kinda. Does a decent job of accommodating players of varying skill levels.
• Clearly defined fairways were well mowed - really gives the course a much more polished look.
• More long &open rather than short, wooded and technical, but several holes get a bit tight in spots, with decent variety overall. Most holes allow for numerous routes to the basket, with opportunities to throw hyzer, annie, straight and overhand shots. Distances that will have you throwing putters, mids, fairway and distance drivers from the tee.
• Significant elevation comes into play with tee and fairway shots that have you throwing uphill, downhill, over gullies and rises, as well as some greens where rollaway putts can bite you.
• Starts off with an appealing hole that has you shooting downhill to a landing area that lies 400'+ away behind a stand of tree, grass and brush that traverses an otherwise open fairway, for your upshot and putt. The long pin lies another 180'or so further out, tucked in among some trees. The rest of the front 9 is comprised mostly of flat fairways that play through some open fields, except for one or two holes where you really need to work around some trees to reach the pin. Back 9 really ramps things up, with trees and elevation figuring more prominently on more holes. Hole 15 is the only true "technical" hole; a short straight shot through some fairly densely packed trees. Most of the holes are pretty solid and stand on their own.
• Nice, tall 4x4 posts mark each tee with hole #, tee color, distance, and basic hole layout; simple yet effective and really helps you find the next tee. Scorecards with map available at the office near the park entrance.
Cons: • No fly-pads when I visited, gravel tee pads are less than desirable, felt unsteady. Please: pour some CONCRETE! This wouldn't be such an issue if this were a short, placement critcal type of course, but it's not. It's a long course that requires power off the tee to score well, and power comes from... the legs. It's hard to crank out good drives on long holes without firm footing to push off on. Most of the holes on this course are quite accessible, so it really shouldn't be as tough to put concrete pads in here as it is on other courses.
• Not a fan of thick, 3ft tall grass lining fairways - doesn't serve to shape shots, its sole function is to hide discs. If I land 15 feet off the fairway, I deserve to hump around looking for my disc, but not on a shot that lands in the fairway and skips or rolls a few feet into the savannah.
• Navigation can be tough, even with the map, particularly on the back 9. Feels a bit disjointed, with several long walks to the next tee that kind of break up the flow. Doesn't really have you throwing over one, but you have to cross a road about 8 times to get to the next tee, which means there are many instances where locating it isn't as obvious as "follow the well-worn path." My round would have taken a lot longer without the map. Also kind of kills that secluded, "away from it all feel." Had to wait for a car to clear the area before throwing my tee shot on 2.
• Holes 2, 3, 5, 6, 12... meh. I'd say they are filler holes to get you to the next hole, but the way the course is laid out, I can't really buy that.
• Some tee signs are damaged/missing.
Other Thoughts: • Wind off the lake can be strong and figure prominently in disc/shot selection.
• A bit paradoxical in that the park kind of seems in the middle of nowhere, but with the open holes, crossing over roads, holes playing near the park office, pavilions, marina, etc, the course itself lacks that "away from it all" feel.
• Memorable holes: 1, 4, 8, 9, 11, 13,14, 18
• Not sure I buy this as a true Par 66, but I wouldn't call it a Par 54 either. • Not sure how much my perception of "disjointed feel/flow due to long walks between holes" is really the result of being unsure where the hell I was going; entirely possible I might not feel that way if I were familiar with the layout. Visitors take note: I should have used the aerial photograph on the Links/File tab of the course page links on the course page - MUCH better than the map on the score card.
• There's a lot to like, but I have my criticisms.
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