4 Helpful / 2 Not
The neighborhood is worse than the course, and the course is not worth much
Pros: 18 holes.
Variety in hole distances.
Balance in left/right/straight holes.
Not pay to play.
Dual pin placements, but they don't add much in terms of creating any risky or creative greens.
Cons: Lack of variety. Although some elevation comes into play, it isn't too much, and definitely nothing drastic or unique. Therefore there are no risky greens or fairways or any other unique or challenging obstacles.
Lack of wooded holes. The course is on the property of an old abandon 9 hole bolf course. Therefore you can imagine how wide open it is - it's on a former 9 hole recreational bold course. The design did not do a good job of utilizing sparse pockets or lines of trees to have a hole punch into, outof, or through the trees (18 for example just borders the mature tree line).
Other non-use of unique features - ESPECIALLY THE POND! Why not have greens near the pond? Why not drive over a portion of the pond? Why not have a fairway border the pond? Can't blame just the designer, the parks department had a say too.
Not a single memorable hole that you will tell your friends about or dream about throwing again and again. You won't dream about any hole, because they're all so bland that they will all blend together after your round.
Just one set of tees, with such a wide open course in the middle of a residential neighborhood, why not install a short set of tees, and just make the long tees incredibly long because distance is about all this wide open course will allow you to work on.
Neighborhood. Not too far from where I grew up. Where I grew up wasn't good. This location is even moreso in the wrong direction. Bluntly - the neighborhood sucks.
Lots of geese, most times of the year, but especially late summer and fall. I mean a LOT of droppings on the ground where you can barely take a step without landing in one.
It's just plain bland, boring, and in the middle of a bad neighborhood.
Other Thoughts: The lack of creativity, underwhelming design, lack of obstacles (which lead to required skill and/or shot selection), no risky greens and no additional landscaping attrributes like elevated tees or terraced greens are really what bring this course down to a below average level. Couple that with the fact that the neighborhood is a pile, and you've got little left to draw you in to come and play it.
I write reviews aimed at travelling players and those wanting to play many many courses. My preferences are for a lot of variety - courses with some of everything, and a lot of what I like (tight woods, water, elevation).
When I get down into these unappealing, unimaginative, underwhelming courses at a 2-disc rating or lower, I have to compare them against the others at the bottom of the pile and see which ones I'd rather play and determine a relative ranking. Dineen falls very very flat in this aspect. I don't care to every really play the course again. There was nothing spectactular, that's for sure. And there was not even a sense of being decent all the way through. Add travelling into the middle of an armpit of a neighborhood and this course falls into the ranks of a 1-disc course. I'd rather play any of the 1.5 disc courses I've ranked prior to playing this one again.
Definitely this should be last on your list of ALL the Milwaukee area courses to play (including valley view, oak creek, franklin, estabrook, etc)
4 of 6 people found this review helpful.
0 Helpful / 3 Not
Played 3 times in 3 years
Pros: I think that the variation in elevation and wooded shots is really nice. This course is a little longer but more so since there is a lot of walking.
Another plus is that it is not over played and not busy.
Cons: It's not very busy, and there's a reason: This course is not in a great neighborhood and not very well up-kept. A lot of long grass to walk through.
0 of 3 people found this review helpful.
2 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: * There are a some long downhill holes where if you drive it well it will fly pretty far. It is very similar to the first hole at Valley View Park in New Berlin.
* This is an old regular golf course if I am correct. So It is in decent condition and it is wide open.
* Good course for beginners or people looking to get some practice driving
Cons: * Goose poop everywhere in the summer
*Some holes require walks back up the previous fairway To get to the next tee.
* Long walks between 7 basket and 8 Tee, 12 Basket and 13 Tee 17 Basket and 18 Tee.
Other Thoughts: * Since hole 18 doesnt really end near the parking lot where hole 1 starts, one way to cut down on your walking time is to park by the basketball courts.
* DECENT COURSE TO WORK ON YOUR DRIVING BEACUSE IT IS PRETTY WIDE OPEN. SHOULD BE A GOOD EXPERIENCE. dEFENITLY FOR YOUNGER LESS EXPERIENCED PLAYERS.
2 of 3 people found this review helpful.
6 Helpful / 0 Not
Long and open
Pros: The course plays through a large grassy park with rolling hills throughout. The elevation is brough into play on almost all the holes to keep things a little more interesting. There are a couple longer downhill holes where you get to rip a long drive and watch it fly. Most of the holes are pretty open with scattered trees and clumps of brush to avoid. Some of these brushy areas are just in the right spots to catch a disc and turn a decent drive into a tough par save.
There are a couple shorter holes, requiring some mid and putter shots, and several good long holes where you can really throw a drive. Most of the holes fall in between the extremes, but still at the long end compared to most courses. There are a few holes that force a particular line, and there's decent balance on these between right and left turning shots.
There are concrete tee pads on all holes, and posts with at least the hole number and distance. There is a practice basket near the first tee with some terrain around it so you can practice more than just flat putts. The baskets are in great shape and catch well.
Cons: The navigation on this course is pretty bad in spots. There are a handful of long walks that are not well marked, so your first visit there you may end up doing some wandering to find your way around. A couple holes require walks back up the previous fairway to get to the next tee which can cause backups and safety issues on a crowded day. There were a few non-players having picnics right in the middle of some of the fairways on the later holes, and they weren't at all interested in hearing that they were in a dangerous spot.
The course gets a little boring, it doesn't require much line shaping, and only a few holes really make you hit any sort of shot placement to be successful. Too much of the course is just open and long, which makes for a good place to practice drives, but not necessarily a really fun place to play disc golf. Because it's so open, you're really exposed on a hot day, bring lots of water. Much of the grass is getting overrun by weeds, which grow quickly and make the course look a little scraggly, and can be tall enough to occasionally hide discs in the middle of the fairway.
Other Thoughts: This course is a good place to work on your distance, but not the most fun or varied course in the area. Beginners will find it very long, and more experienced players won't find much variety or any real challenges beyond pure length. This isn't one to necessarily avoid in the Milwaukee area, but I wouldn't put it at the top of your list. Check out a piece of DGCR history at nearby Kops Park for Harr's sake. :)
6 of 6 people found this review helpful.
1 Helpful / 5 Not
Good in the hood!
Pros: Good course, usually pretty well groomed. Some nice open shots. I agree it is a nice long driving course, good for the practice.
Cons: In all is does get a bit repetitious.
Other Thoughts: Ok park in the middle of the city. Not really a course to play a couple rounds in, too boring. Good for a warm up round, or for some long shot practice.
1 of 6 people found this review helpful.
5 Helpful / 1 Not
Quiet, inner-city park with distance
Pros: Lots of >300 ft. holes
Cement pads, great baskets, signage
Hole 17 (if you can mentally block out the "housing" along the right side of the fairway is just absolutely gorgous in the Fall. Lots of trees and leaves. Very picturesque.
Very little traffic on the course.
Cons: Bring a map. A few areas of concern, as there is a lot of walking to do here:
Walk past 5 to get to 7.
Long walk to 8.
Long walk to 13.
Long, and confusing walk to 18 (map is misleading here) Walk up to the road, and down a ways, and then back into the park.
Hole 15 as of 11/6/09 had no sign at the pad, and a ton of broken glass from empty M/D and Gin bottles all over the pad.
Geese and Seagulls. Everywhere. Watch out for piles of their crap. Some of these animals are eating well. Let me tell you.
Other Thoughts: I've known about this course for a few years, and finally made up my mind to drive into the city and play it. I'm glad I did, because I will be back soon.
I played at lunch on a Friday, and only say a couple of others while there. I'm giving this course a 3.5, and others probably will not agree, but this is a really nice course, if you don't mind cris-crossing, and doubling back a bit. I'm not much good in design, but I can see why it's like this. There are some really nice features in this park that were taken advantage of.
I suggest not trying to find the alternate parking lot between 12 and 13, as it was partitioned off and closed when I played. Just park at hole 1. There's even a practice basket.
Watch hole 12, as the left side has trees and water. This is a long hole, but reachable in two. As you're walking toward it, be careful to watch which pin you're shooting at. There are three visible pins from this fairway.
While playing 12, I got lost on the left for awhile, and had to "punt" out. My third shot hit a goose, and took a funny bounce. Hitting geese has been found to be hella funny btw....I ended up taking a 6 on the hole.
Holes 13, 14, and 15 can get pretty swampy, so bring some shoes that won't get you soaking wet if that's a problem for you.
The neighborhood is questionable, but I had no problem at this time of the day. I would however, not recommend you get stuck down there as it gets dark. Lot's of graffiti, empty bottles, etc. This leads me to believe you may want to use some caution if by yourself.
Hole 6 has a unique Oak tree branch that hangs very low, right in front of the basket. I can't imagine this will be there for long, as somebody will probably end up taking it down out of fustration.
Hole 7 gets really windy.
This course has trees, but does not have any "tunnel" holes. I think it could use a few more trees, but it probably has enough, and definitely has more than other reviewers give it credit for.
I shot in a hurry at lunch time when it was pretty windy. I shot a +11, using the Par 3 for every hole system. All pars and bogeys with the exception of the 6 on hole 12.
As far as signature holes are concerned, I really like that number 17. You'll see what I mean when you play this course. It's just really nice looking.
5 of 6 people found this review helpful.
4 Helpful / 2 Not
B- = Be a little too open and a little too bland
Pros: What I personally like and how this course stacks up:
1) Holes with good risk/reward. Fair, but harsh punishment for bad decisions or execution. == C+
2) Holes that have rewarding birdie opportunities for me. I throw 300' accurately, 360' max. == B
3) More wooded than open - lots of variety of shots required caused by hole shape and topography == C
4) Natural beauty (Appalachian beauty preferred) and seclusion. == C
5) Bonus points for multi-shot holes with defined landing zones, good risk/reward and multiple options to play them. == N/A
Other Thoughts: It's all about feeding the addiction, so I ranked this course subjectively based on my own "personal addiction factor". The grades above tell how well the course will draw me back to itself again and again and again. Since I have played a decent number of courses (125 18-hole, 64 9-hole as of mid 2009), my hope is that players/explorers who have similar addiction tastes will find my ratings list helpful as they choose courses to play and explore.
Over time, I expect to fill some of my reviews in with more descriptive verbiage...if what I can add anything to what has already been written. For now, my list is more important to me than the verbiage of my reviews.
I fully expect others with different tastes/philosophies to disagree with me....that's the fun of things here. See my profile for my rating philosophy.
4 of 6 people found this review helpful.
1 Helpful / 6 Not
Gets the job done
Pros: This course has a good variety of shots though nothing too out of the ordinary. nice baskets.
Cons: Posted pars are good for beginners should be a par 3 course. Need to cross the creek and walk a while to get to 13-17.
1 of 7 people found this review helpful.
10 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: I played this course, and to be honest, I was underwhelmed, but its not a BAD course. The concrete tees and baskets were in good shape. Almost all the tees have a post next to them with hole number, par, and sometimes a vague arrow or direction to the next tee written on them in sharpie.
A mostly wide open course, with some gradual elevation changes in play. This course tends toward the long side, which is not surprising if it was converted from a ball golf course. I suppose this open course would be good if you wanted to practice driving, but the strong winds make even that tough.
This course has one or two signature holes of sorts. Hole six plays with the small river on your left, and the basket sandwiched down a narrow avenue between the bushy bank and a grove of mature trees. Its probably the most technical shot on this course, but a straight throw could yield a birdie here. Most of the other holes, you have a clear, unobstructed view of the basket, maybe with a few trees along the sides of the fairway, but plenty of fudge room to throw any number of shots. Though few holes here are technical in the least, the longer distance and wind on this course make it challenging to get deuces in most places unless you rip a really good drive off. The par 4s and 5s are some of the most open holes, and don't seem significantly longer than the par 3 holes, so they are good chances for birdies if you can putt in the wind.
The 600 foot par 5 hole 12, known as "The Monster", is the exception to this, as it is longer and bit more challenging than the rest of the holes. There are actually some trees along the right, and the river along the left could be a factor if you strayed that way. The pin is up the hill to the right of those pine trees down at the end of the fairway along the river.
Also, the river is behind the downhill sloping fairway to basket 10, so I suppose an errant drive could end up there as well.
Overall, this course has some distance, and very few trees to hit, so if that's your thing, you'll like this course.
Cons: The flow on this course is jacked up, in several ways, the course is basically split between 3 clumps of terrain. Holes 1 and 2 start off by one of the parking lots, then play into a field area where holes 3-7 play. So far, so good, right? Well, now you have to walk from the far end of that field, all the way back to by hole 1 to get to holes 8-12. Then, you have to cross the river and walk back along a path to get to 13-17. Once you get there, holes 13 and 14 run parallel and in the same direction, so after 13 you have to walk back down 13's fairway, to tee 14.
After hole 17, you have to walk on the path all the way around to the road, and back, to the right side of the area where holes 13-15 are. While playing this course, I couldnt help but think that there must've been a way to lay this ocurse out that involved less walking btw holes.
This wouldn't be all that bad if there was some signage, but there's not a course map or tee signs, so its often hard to tell where the next hole is, and on some holes its hard to find the next basket. On hole 9, the practice basket is the one off to the right on the hillside, that looks like it could be the correct basket.
Most of the holes on this course are fairly boring due to being very open, and as long as you drive in the general direction of the basket, trees come into play on very few holes. The holes, especially the holes in the field by the lake, are totally open, plain jane let it rip holes.
This course, for the most part, lacks intrigue. The main challenge is wind. It seems like there was no effort to protect the baskets, as most of them are just out in wide open areas. In some cases, moving the basket 5 ft would put it at least behind one tree from the tee, and force players to somewhat shape their shots, and make many holes alot more memorable. Why they chose to keep them out in the open instead is beyond me.
Also, this course wraps around a sizable lake, which never comes into play, also a shame.
There are several areas down by the riverside which you have to walk by to get between holes (12-13) that have some trees and look like cool places for a few holes, preferable to some of the ones they currently have.
This isnt a bad course, but its just that if a course isnt really that great, then I would at least hope for it to be FTF and have good flow. Agnes Moffit in Houston is a good example. Flat as a pancake, dirt tees, mostly just scattered small trees. But it brings those trees into play, gives you a variety of holes, and has good flow, for a fun, if not outstanding or impressive experience. This course, on the other hand, has so many bland holes that they mostly blur together after about hole 4. Its an ok course, and the tees are dry and in pretty good shape, but the layout makes this near the bottom on my list of courses to go back to.
Other Thoughts: Since hole 18 doesnt really end near the parking lot where hole 1 starts, one way to cut down on your walking time is to park by the basketball courts (or were they tennis courts?) near holes 13-17, and start on hole 15, which is the tee pad with no marker post, that plays toward the river. 14 finishes in the trees just left of tee 15, so no long walk back to the car.
I would say this is a good beginner course because it requires little technique and there are few obstacles to hit, but frankly, I don't know too many beginners who can drive 300 ft. Personally, I would be more inclined to recommend beginners to play a shorter, fairly technical course where they can learn shot selection, and get some birdie opportunities to feel good about their game, instead of taking five shots to get within putting range, and the wind blowing their discs around. But that's just me.
Also, this course did not seem to be in the nicest of neighborhoods, and there was trash laying all over by the river and trees, which further affects the experience.
10 of 10 people found this review helpful.
11 Helpful / 2 Not
Nice beginner friendly course
Pros: 1) Decent use of terrain and trees. Course works its way around the property creating some interesting shots.
They did the best they could with this site, having been converted from a Pitch and Putt Golf course. Old tees and greens are evident still.
2) Nice baskets, and nice concrete tee pads.
3) Nice basket placement on a few of the holes using the surrounding trees to create tight landing areas near the basket.
4) This course is very beginner friendly which I value a lot in rating a course. I don't mind difficult courses, but nearly all courses should be available to most disc golfers without being too difficult.
5) Doesnt look like anyone plays this course in the winter. There were no foot prints around the baskets, so this might be my go to course next winter, if Dretzka gets busy or shut down for the thaw.
Cons: 1) Tee signs have been improved but then damaged again since they were first put in. Could also use better signage directing first timers from #7 to #8, #12 to #13 and #17 to #18. Now I know where it goes, but new players will not figure it out without wandering a little.
2) Long walks between #7 basket and #8 Tee, #12 Basket and #13 Tee, #17 Basket and #18 Tee. Some extra holes could have been added in my opinion to eat up some of that distance.
3) Goofy setup for #13 and #14 backtracking.
4) Goose poop is evident even in the winter and summer so be careful.
5) Not so great of a neighborhood which doesnt affect the rating of the course but it will affect how often and when I go play there.
Other Thoughts: Nice beginner friendly course with some variety and good Basket placement. There is a 600 foot hole which is cool, as that is the longest hole I have played to date, albeit somewhat straight forward. Water shouldnt come into play on this hole but it did for me!
The goofy walks dont really take away too much from this course in my opinion because it was originally set up as a GOLF course (notice I did not say Ball Golf).
Bonus that this course is in over the winter although I hadn't come here yet because the snow was so deep there in the past.
I no longer want to play this course as there are plenty of better options around town during all seasons.
11 of 13 people found this review helpful.
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