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 Meadowview 9

1    10/30/2010   11/1/2010
Review By: Jukeshoe
Played: 217  Reviewed: 169  Exp: 8.2 Years
4 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: - A prairie style 9 holer that can be played by itself, or as a means to stretch Plamann's Apple Creek 18 to 27 holes. Located after Apple Creek's 12th hole, it loops around and leaves you ready to jump back onto Apple Creek's 13th tee.
- A decent mix of holes, with a slightly different vibe from the park-style atmosphere of Apple Creek. Meadowview has fairly thick and punishing schule in the summer months that can easily eat a disc. Outside of the summer months, a lot of the punishing aspect of the schule disappears, although there is definitely some risk and reward based on trying for the "glory" shot or just staying out of the brush.
- Good solid concrete tees. Benches, signs, and trashcans at each hole.
Cons: - One or two of the baskets have chains that have slipped off the center ring.
- The signage suffers the same ambiguity that Apple Creek's does. They're nice looking and all, but impossible to distinguish from one another other than the the hole number and distance.
Other Thoughts: - I assume that this was put in at a different time than Apple Creek's 18 holes. Otherwise I would think that they'd have just made one 27 hole course. Apple Creek and Meadowview compliment each other nicely, and my rating above takes into account Meadowview only. If both courses were rated as one, I would rate them significantly higher (in the 4-disc range.)

4 of 5 people found this review helpful.

 Quck 9

1    7/5/2010   7/13/2010
Review By: mashnut
Played: 828  Reviewed: 775  Exp: 15.7 Years
6 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: The course plays around the upper part of the park with half the holes similar to most of the Apple Creek course and a few holes that play through a more meadow/prairie area with tall grass rough and scattered shrubs and trees. It has some minor elevation changes that add to the variety of the course, and it calls for a decent variety of shots. There are some different lengths here that call for shorter shots and one or two longer drives.

There are nice concrete pads for all the tees, and decent signs with hole length and number. The baskets are in good shape and catch well. It's easy to follow the course with no navigation issues between holes, and it's really easy to play all 27 holes in the park starting at the beginning of either course.
Cons: This course just feels like added on holes to the Apple Creek course, and it seems a little silly to call it a separate course, especially when only a few of the holes really have the meadow feel to differentiate it from the park style holes of the main course. Though there are some nice shots here and it definitely adds to the overall variety of the full 27 hole loop, there's not enough variety or challenge to make this a very interesting course all on it's own.

The meadow style holes are an interesting change up, but long grass rough is not at all my favorite as it doesn't punish errant shots with strokes, just with time and possibly lost plastic. A couple of the meadow holes are mowed very narrowly, making it difficult to stay on the fairway even with a pretty good shot which gets a little frustrating. The tee signs don't have any hole layout and there are a couple blind holes so you have t do some extra walking your first time through.
Other Thoughts: There are some nice holes on this 9, and it's definitely worth playing as part of the full 27 hole loop here in the park. As a course all on it's own, it's not bad but it's nothing exceptional. Beginners will find most of the holes reasonable, though they will struggle to not lose discs on the meadow holes. More experienced players will find a couple tough holes, but not enough variety to be worth playing except as an optional loop on the 18 hole course.

6 of 7 people found this review helpful.

 Don't Throw Your Favorite Disc...

5+    6/29/2010   7/6/2010
Review By: Ace D
Played: 33  Reviewed: 15  Exp: 17.5 Years
5 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Good challenge in terms of requiring accurate distance. Success on holes 3 and 4 hinges on throwing a right-to-left drive. Good variety of holes for only being a 9 hole diversion. Grass in the fairways is always neatly cut. Concrete tee pads, signs, and benches for every hole. Roughly half of the holes are flexible in terms of alternate workable routes available for your drive. It's as cleanly maintained as its neighbor Apple Creek and should be experienced.
Cons: Thickly wooded holes are brutally punishing for missed drives. Keep a very close eye and have someone spot your drives, because it's possible to be standing directly over a disc in the rough and not see it. This portion of Plamann is always more thinly populated than Apple Creek, due to punishing rough. I also suspect that the casual Plamann golfers just aren't up for an extra nine holes. With a little thinning out of the rough, this nine could be on par with the rest of Plamann.
Other Thoughts: Play Apple Creek up to hole 11, then jump to hole 2 of Meadowview. Finish with Meads hole 1, then continue to hole 12 of Apple Creek. It would be nice if the extra 9 holes were placed at the end of the round, rather than inserted into the back nine of Apple Creek.

5 of 5 people found this review helpful.

 The lesser maintained of the Plamanns

1    11/8/2009   11/8/2009
Review By: harr0140
Played: 975  Reviewed: 480  Exp: 8.9 Years
7 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: 1) Nice concrete tee pads add to the playability of this course.

2) Again nice looking tee signs with distances listed.

3) Benches on every tee and garbage cans are plentiful to help provide a very clean park.

4) Overall this 9 hole course has some challenges. Mostly the challenege comes on the middle holes. The first two and last two are not very difficult and can easily be parred or dueced. The others have more diffuclt shots to execute and because the maintenance is not where they mow everything in site on these holes, you can end up with some tough lies. Good and bad (good because it adds some challenge, but bad because it makes the appearance not as attractive. I am not saying they need to maintain everything, but that could selectively get rid of the thorny and invasive plant species in the meadow area.

5) For the most part this 9 holes could be considered beginner friendly with only one hole over 300' and a couple under 200'. There will be some challenge and you will have to still execute the shot, but you can generally recover from one bad shot.

6) Slight to moderate elevation change on a few of the holes is an added benefit, just like it is on the Apple Creek 18.
Cons: 1) Truly only 5 of the holes are set in the Meadowview part of the park. 1, 2, 8, 9 are set in a similar property to the Apple Creek course where there are just large mature trees that you need to avoid in more open feeling park setting with maintained turf on the entire hole. The other true meadowview holes either run through the meadow, along the meadow, into the meadow, or out of the meadow.

2) Maintenance of the meadow areas is a little lacking. As I have said I dont mind that they don't want to mow the entire area in fact I like that there is a prairie feel out on some of these holes, but there is invasive species and some thorny plants, that if those were removed selectively these holes would look and play much better.

3) There is a little bit of compaction ocurring in a few spots where people walk in the same place. This ocurrs when the grass isn't mowed and is bound to only get worse over time. It isn't reason to mow wall to wall, but those areas could have multiple paths so that gives the people options to walk in mowed turf instead in just one 5'-10' wide area.

4) Signs although helpful with the distance, do not have any sort of diagram of the hole. This may be intentional because the holes are stll changing, but in the end if you are gonna buy these expensive signs you might as well put a general layout of the hole on there, adding or moving baskets on these signs is always possible.
Other Thoughts: It is sortof hard for me to differentiate between the courses because I played them for the first time and went from hole #11 on Apple Creek to Meadowview and then back to Apple Creek, so they kindof all fit together. I think this course had some good holes but it also had a few holes with not enough maintenance done (or true fairways). There was a little more underbrush, most of it wasn't buckthorn it was more Red Twigged dogwood, some prairie grasses, a few volunteer trees sprouting up, but there were a few areas with some thorny type plants too. I would like to see these issues better maintained to provide with a much more consistant feel between courses. It does feel like a seprate course and maybe that is intentional by the designer to provide 9 holes that feel very different than the original 18. However, only half of the holes in my opinion are truly "Meadowview" holes. #1, 2, 8, 9 are still much similar to the Apple Creek hole design than they are to the other 5 holes on Meadowview. This isn't a huge deal, but if they are to create 2 different courses, I would like to see consistancy between the courses or complete differentiation. It does not bring the disc rating down in my opinion because it is simply a design flaw (one that doesnt affect playability, but it does effect the overall appearance).

I wanted to give this a higher grade but I just cannot. I think the maintenance will improve over time and some issues on this course can be resolved making it a much better course. I will edit my review when I see that this has happened, but until then it remains a 3. I do think it has the potential to move up to 3.5 but the property doesn't lend itself to anything higher than that probably.

7 of 7 people found this review helpful.

 Play this course!

1    10/21/2009   10/23/2009
Review By: tick
Played: 187  Reviewed: 16  Exp: 18.3 Years
2 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: Amenities like the Apple Creek 18. (See my review) Meadowview adds tight technical holes to the more open Apple Creek 18. This added difficulty makes the posted pars close to correct!
Cons: Thick shule makes it easy to lose discs. Most of my critisms of the Apple Creek 18 apply here. Signage, crowding, and basket visibility all could be improved. Hole lengths and pars are somewhat better, but would benefit from a reassessment.
Other Thoughts: This course will benefit from more play, and it complements the other 18.

2 of 3 people found this review helpful.

 Plamann Greatest Hits

2-4    6/13/2009   6/23/2009
Review By: Texconsinite
Played: 138  Reviewed: 79  Exp: 9.8 Years
7 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Like the 18, this course has all nice (new) concrete pads, good baskets and ornate signs with hole distance and par in addition to a hole map.

This course plays on a rolling hills in a mix of prairie, woods, and field with scattered mature trees.

The locals told me beforehand that this 9 was harder than the 18 holes on the main course. Yeah right, I thought. Turns out, they were telling the truth.

This is like a souped up version of the old 18. The tree routes are tighter, and fairways a bit narrower, and the hyzers more extreme. At least half the baskets on this bunch at blind off the tee, usually around a sharp curve uphill or downhill.

The first few holes of this course weave through the scattered trees of the more open area, for a variety of lines and canopy shots, but its once you venture into the woods/prairie area that this course kicks it up a notch. The rough is long grass, with several strategically placed trees to constrict your lines and make shot placement important, if you want to land on the mowed fairways.

The course throws some interesting challenges at you in here. On one hole, you are constricted off the tee by two bushy pine trees, which you are forced to throw between before emerging into the fairway, which winds and curves over a hill. It makes it awkward to drive, since you have to bend it just to get one towards the basket.

Another hole has two trees framing the sides of the fairway, followed by a a large wide tree what occupies the center of the fairway, creating a chokepoint, beyond which the basket is on a downhill slope for a tricky putt.

This 9-hole loop is more interesting, and more difficult than the 18 hole it sits next to, because it throws a few more tricks at you, and is less forgiving. This course is (3.25), Better than Good, almost Very Good.
Cons: Unfortunately, this course also shares some of the same glaring flaws as its more mature big brother, specifically the ridiculous hole maps. They look cool, but do a terrible job telling you the hole layout. Unfortunately, in this case, with less open obvious shots than the 18, good hole maps are even more important, and this shortcoming is that much more annoying.

But thats a dead horse. Though this course offers 3 very good holes, the rest are just solid. Comparing it to other 9 holers I've rated higher, it doesnt stack up, so I can't quite call it very good, but this course isnt quite Very Good.
Other Thoughts: You can play this course with the 18 holes for a loop of 27 very easily. After hole 12, you will see the tee for hole 2 of this 9 on the right. start there, and just play hole 1 after 9. It'll spit you right back next to Tee 13 to resume the main course.

On the holes with long grass, its a good idea to have a spotter, as discs can get lost in the long stuff.

7 of 7 people found this review helpful.


5+    6/6/2007   5/31/2009
Review By: fretgod321
Played: 25  Reviewed: 15  Exp: 11.5 Years
2 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: The Meadowview 9 is nice addition to the regular 18; they're great for those looking for a little extra challenge. The fairways are quite narrow, and require good accuracy if you don't want to end up in thick rough.
Cons: The first and last bits of the course are rather open and have little elevation change. The thick rough along the fairways is notorious for eating discs.
Other Thoughts: Overall, this is a good course if you're looking for a decent challenge, or if you want to work on your accuracy.

2 of 2 people found this review helpful.

 just as nice as original 18

5+    10/11/2008   3/12/2009
Review By: tallpaul
Played: 887  Reviewed: 137  Exp: 29.5 Years
This review was updated on 1/5/2010
5 Helpful / 2 Not
Pros: A beautiful continuation of original 18. As other reviewers have expressed, the rough isrougher here than on the original. This keeps the number of players down. Plaman can be a very crowded course. However, when the main course is full to bursting, you can usually come here and play with a little breathing room.
Hole #8 (usually played as #7;as you begin on #2 if coming from original layout); is type of hole not often seen anymore....I don't know why? Requires a @280 ft. tall ess or a roller to reach. #9 is a wide anheiser (rhbh), that while not long; is fairly tough wide swing for rhbh; or a good shot to work on forehand (for rhbh).
Cons: Keep a good eye on your plastic. Fairly narrow mowed fairways with tall grass, bushes, and trees on both sides.
Other Thoughts: Benches and trash cans are plentiful as in the rest of the park.
From original course....after playing #11, walk to #12 tee; and just to left of it, will be tee for #2, Meadowview course. Begin here, to play full 27 hole course....finishing on what is labeled #1. This is due to the fact that you can park at the back lot to play Meadowview only. Follow park road around park, and park by big pavilion after coming up the big hill; if you want to only play Meadowview; or begin play here.

5 of 7 people found this review helpful.


1    8/7/2008   12/7/2008
Review By: cydisc
Played: 209  Reviewed: 78  Exp: 21.6 Years
8 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Concrete tees, descriptive tee signs
Cons: some extremely narrow fairways on a few holes
Other Thoughts: This is an interesting 9 holes that can be played separately or as an add-on to the 18-hole Apple Creek course at Plamann Park (you will encounter the 1st tee roughly mid-way through your round while playing Apple Creek). Many of the holes are similar in nature to the Apple Creek course, a bit hilly with mature trees scattered throughout a wide-open mowed grassy area but there are a few holes in the middle of the round that are cut through some tall grasses and evergreen trees. These holes are easy enough to play except that there is a high likelihood to lose a disc or two in the tall grass due to the very narrow mowed trail through the grass.

8 of 8 people found this review helpful.

 Fun, short course.

5+    11/11/2008   10/30/2008
Review By: J.W.I.
Played: 30  Reviewed: 15  Exp: 11.1 Years
This review was updated on 11/12/2008
2 Helpful / 5 Not
Pros: Some good challenges on this nine-holer. Lots of ace opportunities. Beautiful park district property with baseball, petting zoo, etc.
Cons: Lots of ace opportunities. Not open in Winter.
Other Thoughts: Playing by yourself can be tricky when you spend a lot of time looking for discs.

2 of 7 people found this review helpful.

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