7 Helpful / 0 Not
Great potential, but it ends up being just a long hike across open fields...
Pros: * This course has a couple of good pin placements and a few cool shots, 1,3,7,10,17 are the best examples.
* Having multiple tees is a plus.
* Having a mix of long/short holes is also a plus.
* Park itself is very nice, with lots for family to do if they don't want to play disc golf.
* Well maintained
Cons: I hate to dock any course with more cons than pros, but this course just feels like a place that fails to live up to its rating, and, far more importantly, it just fails to be fun.
* In playing ~200 courses, I've never spent so much time throwing max-D drives across a flat, open field. This course feels like a waste of time and of energy.
* The couple of holes that have trees--LOTS of trees--like 12,13,14--are set up to be virtually unfair -- plinko holes without clean lines. As if having too many trees on a few holes makes up for having few-to-none trees on most other holes.
* A lot of otherwise open holes are made more difficult by placing pins in tricky placements right next to the water -- this is interesting and creates score separation for a tournament, but is frustrating for casual play, since its the risk/reward of frequently losing discs.
* Signage is so-so. Finding your way from hole to hole without a map would be very frustrating ... especially when it can be several hundred feet of walking between most holes.
* Repetition is high on this course -- lots of holes feel the same and, effectively, are the same. Max-D drive, followed by max-D drive across a field. Or, when there is more interest to a hole, its still a virtually identical repeat of a previous similar hole -- max-D drive across open field, followed by a tricky, mostly-open RHBH hyzer to a basket with water behind it.
Other Thoughts: This is a course I really wanted to like. During a recent disc golf trip in St. Louis, my brother and I hit 9 of the top-rated courses in and around the city, and this was our least favorite of the bunch, by far. It was the only one that really failed to be FUN to play. When disc golf stops being fun, you should do something else. So that's one of the most damning things I can say about a course. It's just not fun to play.
Long, long walks across almost entirely open fields, repetitive upshots, and repetitive hole design make this a dull, uninspiring exercise in practicing your longest drives. A stack of drivers and a football field would give you a similar afternoon, and you would probably learn more from the experience.
I wish I had suggestions for how to improve this course. As it is, I think it would actually be a decent tournament course for big-arm pros... especially on a windy day, when it would make the basket placements high risk/reward. Still not necessarily fun, but at least it would give it purpose.
If I were making recommendations to improve this course, I would tighten it up and shorten it up (I love long courses, but they have to have the terrain to make it fun -- it needs to be placement golf). There are a lot more tree options in the borders of the big field in the back, and those tree options and elevation aren't being used as well as they could. The 13-14 area could use a little thinning out to make it fair, and if there were a way to put more holes in that part of the course--its beautiful there--it would help break up the monotony and make this a much better course for daily play.
7 of 7 people found this review helpful.
0 Helpful / 2 Not
Good course coulf be great
Pros: Makes you play Golf! Lots of good golf holes. two pads per hole and two pin positions. Flows well for the most part. The park is great.
Cons: A few of the pins are in bad spots when considering saftey and weather. Hole 12 is a joke at best.
Other Thoughts: Overall I had a blast and will be back, would love to see a lil adjustment on some pin placements.
0 of 2 people found this review helpful.
2 Helpful / 2 Not
Challenging, yet messy
Pros: >18 Basket course with professional level distance.
>Multiple Cement Tees w/ Multiple Basket Positions.
>Long open baskets, tight wooded baskets, elevated and protected positions of baskets. GREAT variety.
Cons: >#3 Basket to #4 Teebox, mudhole. NOT, just a mudhole, the wonderful aroma of dead fish. In this you either get to A, crawl through the woods where no real path is, or B walk through the mud and dead fish.
>Far too long of a walk between holes, and though the map helps, sometimes you have to wander around a bit to find the holes, so it is that much more walking.
>Too extreme angle hills for older players, becomes dangerous. Hey, I am all for a challenge, but I played one round with a older player who fell more than a few times, and quit after 9 vowing to never play the course again. This didn't happen on errant shots, but at basket locations and fairways. 2 basket, 3 fairway, 7 basket, 8 fairway. I hate to say it, but if you are not able to hike, you are not able to play this course. WARNING TO ALL OLDER PLAYERS!
Other Thoughts: I am rating this a 4 in spite of the fish aroma mudhole, because we have no control over mother nature. A lot of repetitive holes makes this park's highest potential a 4.5 to me. The lack of flood planning makes it's potential a 4.0. That is what I give it, and I am not going to penalize it any more for what I hope is a temporary condition.
*Only updating to say, the course drainage has not been as much of a problem as of late. The course can be very challenging, and is very very long. My rating stays the same.
2 of 4 people found this review helpful.
0 Helpful / 8 Not
My first real course
Pros: Varied terrain Hills, woods, open field, water hazards, etc
Nice park overall.. has restroom facilities.
Cons: Muddy after a rain in the lower fields, rickety walk-way made with wooden pallets that tend to break when you walk on them- be careful! Nice thought though, keeps us out of the mud!
Other Thoughts: My nearest 18 hole course, and I feel fortunate because it's such a varied course.
0 of 8 people found this review helpful.
8 Helpful / 0 Not
West City Park-great in so respects, ok in others
Pros: -dual concrete pads, two pin placements per hole
-championship course length (I consider over 7000' for 18 holes in this category)
-good mix of wide open holes (9 holes) and semi technical to super technical holes (9 holes)
-decent use of elevation from rolling hills to steep uphills and downhills, but mostly flat otherwise
-a lot of water hazard variety, 2 holes around a pond, 6 holes involve 1 or 2 shots near moving water.
-variety of lengths from <150' to >800'
-great pin placements for many holes, lots of greens perched on hillsides and several with dangerous upshots and putts involving water
-ok shot variety, mostly big open drives but the technical shots offer some opportunities to throw rollers, anhyzers, spike hyzers, sidearms, and overhands
-new pavillion right at hole 1, kiosk at hole 1. Holes 1, 9, 18 near parking lot (9 hole loops)
Cons: -holes in the lower bowl are in a floodplain area, thus it is a sloppy mess when the river is up.
-would be tough to navigate if playing w/o a guide for the first time, lots of holes with large walks btwn pin and next pad, on top of which there are no next tee signs, particularly problematic areas are 3-4, 8-9 (9's sign is not at the pad yet) 9-10.
-several "semi-shared" fairways (18, 9, 1), (17, 7) really you are just throwing in huge treeless fields (undefined fairways) so errant shots may end up in another fairway.
-more r-->l shots than any other, r to l favored on creek holes, and technical holes, not really a factor on field holes
-The con that carries the most weight for me though is just the lack of variety, too many treeless where you pull out your longest disc on the tee and then throw it again before the upshot. Shot placement is not of huge importance here on the field holes (half the course).
Other Thoughts: Overall I really enjoyed the course, the field shots were a lot of fun, it was like a driving range, I just wish errant shots were punished a bit more. Also the club (JC sharpshooters) is full of great people who love their golf and their courses, get ahold of them for a guide.
8 of 8 people found this review helpful.
3 Helpful / 2 Not
This one is loooooooooooong!
Pros: - This is a well laid out, very dificult course that is not for the weak of arm. There are 3 or 4 holes around the 800 ft. range that challenge even the veteran disc golfer.
- The park that contains the course is well maintained and in a safe area.
- Great variety of shots. There are a couple of 800+ holes and a few under 150 holes that test your skill.
- loads of elevation change! a couple going up and a couple of downhill hills.
- one of the holes, pardon me for not remembering which one it is, goes through an entire grove of fir trees. not a long hole, but super technical. my disc stuck on the top of one tree, as I tried to tomahawk my way over.
- The shorter holes are in the woods and make you think about every throw that you make. This is great fun!
- The pads and baskets are in great shape too.
- water is in play on a few holes.
- alternate tee pads on almost every hole.
Cons: - If you're from out of town, this course is NOT easy to find. we kind of drove around until we ran into it.
- The weeds in some places on this course are RIDICULOUS. Some were over 9 foot tall. if you guys find my leopard, KEEP IT!
- could use some more facilities on this course as far as water goes. this is a BIG course that spreads out all over the park.
Other Thoughts: Great course and great fun! Bring some water with you!
3 of 5 people found this review helpful.
1 Helpful / 7 Not
best in area
Pros: everthing that makes a course great,elevation changes, wind, open fairways, wooded shots, a couple ace runs, very long par 5s , water hazards,concrete pads, signs, dave macs true masterpiece
Cons: not enough bathrooms , WARNING this park eats discs
Other Thoughts: this course has come a long way from its start, it now has concrete pads thanks to the jc sharpshooters, hole 12 is known as the snowman by locals for the eights that can easily be writtin on your card! some more bathrooms and this course would be perfect for a large a tier event best course in st.louis area
1 of 8 people found this review helpful.
11 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: Hole 1: From elevated, throwing long across an open field. OB road to left, lake to right (but not in play). Basket at far side of field. Next tee to the left of basket.
Hole 2: Short throw. OB road on right, trees to left. Pin is tucked in trees on left, down a slope. Cool little hole. Next tee is to right and up from basket.
Hole 3: Shooting down slope, through a narrow chute of trees and into an expansive field. Pin is deep left across field, surrounded by trees and slightly elevated. Next tee is back and right from basket.
Hole 4: Basket is across field and slightly right of tee. Undeveloped rough to the right. Next tee is right of the basket.
Hole 5: Trees and water to left, field to right. Pin is set back on the left in the trees, against the water. Next tee is right of the basket. Similar to 5, trees to left, water behind, field to the right. Pin set into trees on left against water. Next tee to right of pin, in the field.
Hole 7: OB on right, field to left. Pin is across field and up slope, protected by trees. Next tee is to right of pin and down.
Hole 8: Short throw up slope through a tight channel. Basket to the right. Next tee at crest of slope, across road and in field.
Hole 9: LONG. Pin is straight from tee, but you won't see it. It is at far side of the field. Pond to right, Baseball diamond to left. Pin is behind a couple small trees.Next tee is to left of pin. Go around baseball diamond, across road.
Hole 10: Throwing downhill from small clearing into dense trees. Pin is located in the center of this copse. Next tee is to left of pin.
Hole 11: Throwing from copse of trees into small clearing. Pin is straight ahead, but you are throwing from jail. Next tee is about 40 feet beyond pin and to the right in the trees.
Hole 12: Probably my favorite. Narrow channel made of tight, skinny trees on both sides and arching over the top. Fairway curves back and left from tee. Pin is positioned to the right of the fairway. (Reminds me of another troublesome hole 12, the Blair Witch hole at Endicott) The next tee is to the left.
Hole 13: Short hole. MANY young trees fill the fairway. To the right, a huge drop off to the river/creek below. One bad hit and your plastic is swimming. Next tee is past the pin.
Hole 14: Ace Run. Much like 13, many trees, water to right, just a narrow left arcing gap to get to the pin. Crest the slope to the road, then walk right towards next tee.
Hole 15: Throwing from elevated, field to left, trees and river to right. Pin is situated in those trees against the water. Next tee just beyond the pin.
Hole 16: Shorter version of 15. Next tee is in the field to left.
Hole 17: Long. Throw across field, through the trees up the slope. Pin is at the crest of the slope at the end of a narrow channel. Next tee is across road from pin and in the field.
Hole 18: Long. Across open field and then across the pond past the pavilion.
Cons: Could definitely use better signage and more (ANY!) restrooms. Also, the park doesn't mention Disc Golf anywhere on its signage. A few holes seem repetitive.
Other Thoughts: I enjoyed playing this course, and will come back. Even though some of the holes repeat themselves in layout, one will be long, one will be short, so the throws will be different. The big field throws are not my favorite, but the wooded shot here are unique and very challenging, making it all worthwhile. The course is a little RHBH generous, but the water risk will make you think about your throws.
11 of 12 people found this review helpful.
15 Helpful / 1 Not
Excellent Course Design, Horrendous Amenities
Pros: FANTASTIC challenge. This course has every shot you can think of. Long, short, up, down, flat, left, right, into and out of (even through) trees, over water, it's all here. Save for the RHBH hyzer bias, it's all there in good balance too.
Pin placement is superb.
The lake in the middle, the creek around the back side, the cliffs, the trees - a good looking course in the dead of winter, but its got to be gorgeous when everything is green.
BIG park, so golfer traffic shouldn't be a problem.
Cons: POPULAR park, so pedestrian traffic WILL be a problem, especially on hole 1, which basically plays directly into and against the flow of foot/vehicle traffic.
DESPERATELY needs signs to point you towards parking near the first tee, (because the park IS so big and there's 2 or 3 lots between the entrance road and where you need to be) and you'd better hope that particular pavillion isn't being used or you're parking at least 1/8 mile away.
"Pads" are dirt marked off by painted iron ingots (fair enough, no money for concrete), but there's no markings whatsoever for holes 1 and 9, just tee signs.
Most tee signs were missing the bolt to mark A or B pin placement.
No signs to send you in the direction of the next tee (remember, BIG park).
Only one set of benches/porta-john for the entire course. For a layout that can reach 9740 feet, that's unacceptable.
....And you'd better hope you can hold it if someone is using THAT pavillion too.
I think I counted 4 trash cans for the entire course. The park management is practically begging you to litter.
The sign marking the road (National Guard Drive) to turn in at is set 50 feet off the road and behind a tree; completely hidden and useless, especially if you're coming from the east. Go in the other entrance and you'll be driving the wrong way down a 1-way street.
The sewage drain/culvert coming from the creek and going into 4's fairway stinks like holy hell, and it's probably a biohazard.
The park is also apparently a regional depository for goose shit. It's EVERYWHERE. Disinfectant (Lysol?) and hand cleaner of some kind is VERY highly recommended.
Other Thoughts: Quite possibly the best course design i've ever seen, paired with absolutely abysmal facilities and integration into the park.
Simple and cheap upgrades (of the signage alone) will earn this course another disc...
UPDATE 2/8: according to St. Louis Club website comments, concrete pads have been installed.
15 of 16 people found this review helpful.
13 Helpful / 0 Not
Good and bad
Pros: Shot for shot, this is one of the better courses I've played. There is a good mix of long open shots and tight technical shots. O. B. water and roads tighten some fairways, and there is some nice elevation changes. The course plays very tough, especially from the long tees and/or long placements.
Cons: The layout of this course is terrible. There are many long walks between holes, and in many cases the next tee is not visible from the last hole. There are no markers or indication of which way to to reach the next hole. The complete lack of markings and lack of maps or scorecards make finding your way around this course next to impossible. The tees for # 9, # 10, # 12, & # 15 were notably perplexing to find. I've played many poorly laid-out courses with hard-to-find tees, but this one was far and away the worst. All the aimless wandering takes away a lot of the enjoyment of playing disc golf.
Hole #1's tee, hole #9's tee and # 18's basket play very close to pavilions. When I was there there were picnics going on, and you had to intrude into these groups to play the holes. It seemed to me that there was enough space to at least move the red tees away from the pavilions.
The tees are dirt and not marked well. The pro tees are very hard to find.
While the course is very challenging, it consists mostly of hyzer routs for RHBH throwers. Only three pins play to the right of the tee, and two of those holes have mostly open fairways. A few tough turnover lines would improve the golf in my opinion.
Holes 3 & 4 have been flooded most of this Spring, and holes 5 & 6 have been unplayable at various times. This has been a very wet spring, so this may be the first time this has been an issue.
This is a very large park, over 100 acres with a lot of amenities. There are several directional signs to various attractions, none of which mention disc golf. First-time visitors will spend several minutes driving down speed bump laden roads at 10 MPH searching for signs of a disc golf course before you find any. If there is a picnic in the pavilion by tee #1, you will have to find a distant place to park and walk several thousand feet to the course (which is just one of many long golfless walks that lay ahead of you.)
Other Thoughts: On the SSA history for Jefferson Barracks, Rounds 3-4 of the 2006 Gateway Open have an SSA of 58.98, which is 4.78 strokes higher than the next highest SSA at Jefferson Barracks. Those rounds were actually played at West City Park, so for comparison West City Park plays almost five strokes tougher for a 1000-rated player than Jefferson Barracks set up in the C and D pins. The quality of the shots are not in question, as it is a fabulous test of your disc golf skills. However, the lack of markings and the terrible flow of the course force me to lower the rating of this course significantly.
13 of 13 people found this review helpful.
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