3 Helpful / 0 Not
Want to love this course, but can't
Pros: - Technical, challenging holes that make good use of a narrow space. Lots of opportunity to go for higher risk shots for birdie opportunities, or layup to play safe. You will have lots of opportunity to learn how to evaluate and deal with obstacles on this course. The shots over water are intimidating, but most of them are short enough where intermediate players can safely reach them, and there's usually an option to play around the water if you don't feel comfortable throwing over it.
- Beautiful park setting along lake near the bay, with scenic views of San Francisco across the bay.
Cons: - There's a heavily used footpath, popular with walkers, runners, dog walkers, and cyclists, that runs through the entire length of the course. Many of the holes play directly across this path, and several of the baskets are located within just a few feet of it. Combine that with the high winds and trees that make for lots of errant shots, and it's a minor miracle that more people don't get hit with discs here. At the very least, be prepared for occasional long waits for passersby to move along out of the way of your shot, and having to rush shots to take advantage of an opening in the foot traffic.
- There's LOTS of opportunity to lose discs here. Combine the frequent high winds with shots over water, thick trees, and marshy areas thick with tall grass, and this course will eat your plastic for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
- Poor/missing signage. It will be hard to make it around this course for the first time without a local to show you the way, even with a map.
- Teepads are short in length, and in poor condition (cracked, uneven concrete), where the exist at all. Some of the tees are just spray painted lines on the footpath.
- The high winds can offer an interesting challenge, but considering many of the holes are already quite technical, and the cost of an errant shot can be high due to the water/tree/marsh hazards, it can be more of a source of frustration than a fun element of the course.
- Despite the natural setting it's quite loud. There's a freeway right across the lake the provides constant traffic noise. Water skiing boats in the lake, plus the train tracks the run along the other side of the park.
Other Thoughts: I really want to like this course, especially since it is very close where I live, and I can tell there are some dedicated locals who take great pride in this course.
It's definitely convenient if you're in the East Bay and want to get some throws in. But beyond that I really can't recommend it. The amount of foot traffic makes the course more stressful than relaxing to play. You're constantly having to wait for oblivious park goers to meander through, or having to rush a shot to time a gap in foot traffic on the path. Also, while the course has some interesting, technical holes, it's just too easy to lose discs here. Even if you're trying to play it safe around the lake or the marsh, a sudden gust of wind carry a disc, even on the best of shots, off to never be seen again.
It's better than nothing if you're close by, but there's so many good to great courses less than an hour away from here, I'd hardly make it a destination.
3 of 3 people found this review helpful.
5 Helpful / 0 Not
Good course, great people
Pros: I was going to be in town, so on a whim, I decided to see what this place was all about. Luckily I was there on a wednesday which happened to be their weekly. Played with some really nice people who care about this course. They have installed new mach x baskets.I was nervous about all of the water, but if you can throw stable discs rhbh without turning them over, you can easily avoid loosing discs into the water. I actually came home with one more disc than I had thanks to the awesome people I was playing with. The shots are technical and varied - I love the way they used the water. The fairways of the course are actually quite scenic. Good distance on the holes was something that I was not expecting given the location.
Cons: Teepads and sinage need work. As others mentioned, on the back nine - if you leave your shot right, be prepared for oodles of surprises: toilet paper and used condoms abound. This just adds to the motivation to not leave your shot right!
Other Thoughts: I would love to see this course continue to be improved. I look forward to coming back.
Also, when I showed up, there was a dude with a gaggle of discs in his car. He appeared to be a golfer, or at least the other golfers were cool with him...he was giving people back their discs. There was another group of people selling discs that had been thrown in the water - some had numbers, others did not. I have never seen a place with more lost disc sales/barter - not sure if this is a pro or con - just an observation that was memorable.
5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
3 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Its true! 19 Brand spanking new Mach X baskets have been installed on this course (one for the practice basket, which is still in the middle of One's fairway). The new baskets are way easier to see and are way better at catching discs than the old ones. The guys have done some landscaping too to tidy up parts of the course.
Cons: All the same cons as before really, my major concern being that the are soooo many pedestrians and bikers going through the course it makes it very frustrating. If you don't like wind or water hazards, don't play here because there is a lot of both. The layout is still very confusing it you haven't played before with teepads spraypainted on the ground on some holes, old teepads to nowhere, and no signs anywhere.
Other Thoughts: The new baskets bumped this course up a whole star in my book. They are much easier to see and there are a full 18 holes! Actually 19 because they left the old basket across the water after hole 9 so one can play across since 10's teepad is right there anyways. I would not play this course first time without someone who's played before, you will have a really hard time even with the map. I actually like all the water and wind because of the challenge it presents but I always bring discs I wouldn't mind as much if I lost. The pedestrians are the worst part in my opinion about this course. If this area were solely devoted to disc golf, it would jump up another full star to 4 in my book. Hopefully the new baskets will bring more golfers through and make a more present disc golf community in the park.
3 of 3 people found this review helpful.
5 Helpful / 3 Not
Wanna kill a jogger?
Pros: The course plays along this body of water with many opportunties to throw over the water whether you want to or not. Baskets are all in good shape, especially for being a 30+ year old course although I'm sure the baskets have been replaced many times over by now.
Cons: This is the most dangerous course I have ever played and I can't believe t he course is still in the ground and that there aren't multiple lawsuits from pedestrians getting hit in the face with discs. Not only are you throwing down a narrow, busy walking/biking path but a majority of the holes throw blind drives around baskets with no way of knowing if you could hit someone. The combination of this and the heavy use makes it rather unenjoyable to sit and wait for park users to be out of your way which rarely happens, usually a small window of time in which to throw.
The signage is terrible and ripped out, some 'tee pads' are just spray painted on the ground in the middle of the walking path and finding your way around and playing the course in the correct order is near impossible. I played it with someone who has played a few times and even he got lost a little.
What is the deal with a practice basket in the middle of the fairway for hole one?!
Other Thoughts: It's hard to like much about this course but aside from Golden Gate this is the only course in town. Skip this and play GG instead or quit Disc Golf like The Valkyrie Kid said.
5 of 8 people found this review helpful.
Challenging course, challenging environs
1 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: Considering the layout of the park, they've done what they can. Most holes have multiple pin positions; lots of concrete tee pads. (A few are just a line on the paved path.)
Several tee pads were just re-done.
New Mach X baskets. Some boggy/marsh areas have been trimmed and mulched. They've installed a kiosk w/ a course map by the first tee. The south end of the park is less sketchy than it used to be.
Cons: As others have mentioned this is a popular park for walkers, cyclists, bird-watchers, picnickers, and trouble-makers. Difficult to navigate for first-timers.
Other Thoughts: If this course existed in a vacuum its ratings would be much higher - the bones of the course are quite good - but obviously pedestrians are a drawback and no such vacuums exist.
Find the locals during the weekly (Weds p.m. during DST; Sat a.m. during winter) to best navigate the course. It's really not as bad as people make it out to be. Head over to the East Bay Disc Golf Club on Facebook for further details.
1 of 2 people found this review helpful.
4 Helpful / 1 Not
Frustrating course, great back 9
Pros: - Some really solid and technical holes, especially on the back 9
- Often not crowded with players, just everyone else
- Good views of the bay
- Often a second tee for tough shots
Cons: - Walking path runs in the middle of it for way too many holes. Twice today someone stopped to throw my disc back to me, once it was a 3-year old, then it was an old guy. Granted, I was playing on a fairly nice Sunday at around 2:30 pm, but still
- Tough wind, tough weeds. Way more swampiness than I'd prefer
- Could use some love, but why bother? You'll never be able to address the many people on the walking path
Other Thoughts: As a beginner, this was a tough course, but I had quite a bit of fun on the back 9. I've played the front 9 a couple times, but finally played the full thing today. Given the same amount of daytime and a full tank of gas, I'd head to Moraga Commons for a nearby course, and might even brave GGP. Sad that our local course has a lot of issues. It has some great bones as others have said, and a fairly fun and non-frustrating back 9. But I'd play other courses again or keep tossing in the local park before returning on my own.
I ran into the locals playing here Saturday morning. They have a handicapped round in the winter months on Saturday around 9:30/10. Seemed like cool guys, willing to help show you around.
Also, there are two dudes now selling discs here on the weekends. One of them is friendly and has a good selection. The other guy had no change and only drivers.
4 of 5 people found this review helpful.
3 Helpful / 2 Not
fun links course
Pros: my expectations were a little low given the less than stellar rating at Aquatic, but I really enjoyed myself. The conditions were great - no wind and not a great deal of foot traffic so the delays were minimal. there are some pretty challenging shots to be had out there.
Cons: I enjoy having water in play as much as the next guy, but this one is a little different. some of the tee shots over water are somewhat intimidating. I thought I was in the clear, but, I lost my Pro Boss in the water on 18. tough way to end what was the perfect afternoon.
Other Thoughts: also, quite a bit of trash and a number of vagrants milling about. threw my disk into the trees to the right on 12 and stumbled upon what appeared to be some sort of sex locale. used prophylatics and whatnot.
3 of 5 people found this review helpful.
5 Helpful / 1 Not
Good bones, everything else sucks
Pros: The biggest draw here is the bones of this course. 18 holes are thoughtfully laid out, varied, interesting and challenging. An abundance of wind can turn this course into a monster. A calm, warm day will most likely yield an enjoyable round
Cons: Hmmm where do I start?
- Crappy/non-existant signage
- Creepy weirdos and homeless wandering the park
- Constant noise from the nearby freeway. Occasionally a train will roll by, blasting its horns the entire time
- Lots of foot and bike traffic that constantly interferes with your round
- Marshy terrain can get squishy and muddy in places. Wear water-resistant shoes
- Lots water hazards + wind = lost discs
- A bunch of large extremely dense cypress trees = lost discs
- Unkept and grossly overgrown foliage everywhere = lost discs
Oh, did I mention that I've lost a lot of discs here?
Other Thoughts: I haven't seen them recently but there are usually guys who sell dredged discs around holes 1, 2 & 4. I'll buy some off of them regularly as a 'course fee'. Most get returned to the water or stuck in a big tree at some point (hence the fee to play). This course has a ton of potential though. I do enjoy rounds here... with a bag full of backup discs
5 of 6 people found this review helpful.
4 Helpful / 3 Not
People love to hate this course...
Pros: -Well laid out for what's there to work with
-Challenging holes with wide variety of shots
-Makes you throw shot maybe not comfortable with
-Maintained by city (well, sometimes)
-Nice sunsets over S.F.
Great local disc golf scene**Multiple former World Champs (and current) call this course home. Very storied history.
-Awesome playground for the family
-Multiple pin locations and tees which change regularly.
-Easy to get to, right off the freeway (I guess a pro).
-Practice basket with distance tiles.
-Cement tee pads
-The wind (could also be a con)
-Variety of bird and plant life
Cons: -Meandering path thru the course with walkers, families, and bicyclists.
-Long wait times for park users
-East side of course is very rough with stinky creek running along side. Very mucky
-Chance to lose multiple discs especially on windy days.
-Flows pretty good from hole to hole but could see how someone can get lost.
-Couple blind holes.
Other Thoughts: People love to hate on this course.
It does need some upgrades but the course itself is awesome!!!
Multiple water shots, tunnels, ace runs, challenging par 3's, etc.
The downfalls are the park users and wait times.
This course is in much better shape than when I started playing it 15+years ago.
The south side has been completely clean up with new trees and foliage planted.
There was a time you didn't want to be at this park around dusk.
Now it's completely safe any time...due to golfer's and the surrounding community's efforts.
-Go play it. Lot's of fun.
4 of 7 people found this review helpful.
6 Helpful / 3 Not
Unsafe and poorly maintained
Pros: The course plays right along the bay so you get some nice views. A few of the holes offer the chance to throw out over the water for a risky birdie chance or play a safer line that makes getting to the pin for 2 much tougher. I always enjoy that kind of decision. A few of the holes have some nice low ceilings and tighter lines to hit, and there's some variation in hole length to add a little challenge and variety.
Cons: The walking path running through the course was very busy on a weekday afternoon, I can only imagine that it gets more crowded on weekends. With nearly every hole playing over or along the path, you do a lot of waiting and even then you can't always see pedestrians or bikers coming. On top of this, several holes overlap or play very close to one another, adding another layer of safety issues.
The signage is completely gone at this point. Even with the course map it took some wandering to find all the tees and baskets, especially the ones marked only with faint spray paint on the walking path. The tees and baskets are in pretty sad shape as well.
Other Thoughts: Beginners will find this course frustrating, with water carries and some longer shots, and their lack of consistency will magnify the safety concerns. More experienced players will find some fun challenges here, but will also find themselves waiting a lot for other players and pedestrians to clear. Make sure to have a map or guide or you won't have much of a chance of finding all the holes.
6 of 9 people found this review helpful.
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