Course in excellent condition
2 Helpful / 2 Not
Pros: Bill Allen has 18 concrete tee pads and clear well defined fairways. It will challenge all skill level players with tight lines, tunnel shots and a few big arm holes. Accuracy is a must to score well here. Hole 11 is the signature hole but hole 6 also has that signature hole appeal.
Cons: The rough is full and thick around holes 15, 16 and 17. The baskets are old DGA baskets and the tee signs could be better.
Other Thoughts: The course is in excellent condition. Most of the water has dried up in all the normal low spots and it has been mowed recently.
2 of 4 people found this review helpful.
0 Helpful / 6 Not
Pros: Great Variety
Lot's of great challenge
Lot's of shade
Cons: A bit difficult if you are a beginner
Other Thoughts: This is one of my favorite courses. There is alot of variety of long and short holes along with some very tight and challenging holes.
0 of 6 people found this review helpful.
You'll need every disc, and watch out for water
2 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: -Crazy variety
-Emphasizes accuracy over distance
Cons: -Lots of water to lose a disc in
-Poor tee signs
-Tough to navigate without a map
Other Thoughts: Difficulty (4.5/5): This is a fairly short but very tight course. It was more difficult than my skills could support in many places. Accuracy is definitely at a premium for the majority of this course with lots of tree tunnels and gaps you have to hit.
Maintenance (2.5/5): The grass was kept sort and there wasn't really any brush off to the side of the fairways, just trees. I played the weekend after a pretty heavy rain and there was a few flooded/swampy areas in the fairways, which wasn't idea. The tee signs weren't great but the tee boxes were in good shape.
Variability (5/5): The true strength of this course. Off the tee you'll throw hyzers, anhyzers, tunnel ace runs, tunnel placement shots, long bombs where you have to aim for a specific side of the fairway. On hole six you'll have to decide if you want to risk carrying the lake or if you'll play it safe and layup. There's really only one hole that is open enough to where you can throw it as far as you want and not really worry about where you'll land. And even better, there's probably 5 holes that you could play different strategies with so I could foresee this course being extremely replayable.
Flow/Experience (2.5/5): I used the UDisc gps map to help me get around, otherwise I think I would have had a problem. The teepad for 3 was originally confusing because we could see baskets for 3, 18, 17, and 10. Getting between 3 - 4 would have been tough, as well as 9 - 10 and 12 - 13. Because of the poor condition of the tee signs, there isn't much help on the course of how to navigate, so bring a map! I definitely walked away happy from this course though, and I plan on coming back to play it once I have gotten a little better.
2 of 2 people found this review helpful.
Very good course
Pros: Well laid out
Good variety of holes
Very nice neighborhood
not many other people in park
Cons: Tee signs are not good
course map needs to be updated
Layout can be confusing if you have never played it.
Other Thoughts: overall a wonderful course, i will play it again soon.
1 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Well designed, technical course with some arm-stretching holes thrown in for balance. Tee pads and baskets are all in good shape, and the park seems fairly popular. The creative layout of the course forced me to use all the shots in my bag, which I like. There are also three holes that are marked as par 4 which seem generous.
Cons: There are some low spots that collect water after a heavy rain, so parts of the course turn into a shoe sucking mud pit. Also, hole 6 plays across a pond that forces you to carry 300' from the tee, or go swimming.
Other Thoughts: We came out on Christmas and there were a bunch of people out using the park. We had some folks stroll down the fairway of 11, just enjoying the views. There were a couple of guys using hole 18 for putting practice, and a family using the 15th fairway for batting practice. All in all, I would recommend this course for anybody, but beginners should bring diving equipment.
1 of 1 people found this review helpful.
A good bit of water
0 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: It's a nice, challenging course. Has technical shots, with some long easier shots. Good layout, you can find the next hole fairly easily, and a nice park.
Cons: The signs have either worn away or the papers are no longer there on many of the holes. Many you cannot see from the tee, this in and of itself is not a bad thing just makes you scout if you don't know the course.
0 of 1 people found this review helpful.
2 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Tee Boxes= Nice concrete pads on holes 1-3 and 10-18, most of which still have the crushed granite surrounding the concrete.
Baskets= mostly in good shape, practice basket on top hill next to parking lot.
Signs & Stuff= Playground near parking lot and holes 1-3, picnic table at hole 8, porta-potty between holes 13 & 14 (usually)
Design= Varied shot design, has a little bit of elevation, some technical holes, a couple of bombers and several ace runs. Once you go "into the woods" on holes 10-13 your score can change drastically. Overall a very fun but still challenging course to play.
Dave's Point= one of my first courses I played, it will always be special to me, so it gets a little extra love.
Cons: Tee Boxes= holes 4-9 still have crushed granite pads, not a fan. Only one set of permanent tees.
Baskets= Mostly in good shape, basket 9 is installed incorrectly, so be sure to check the chains before you putt
Design=I'm not a big fan of hole 18...many players dislike hole 11(I'm not one of them)
Signs&Stuff= several of the signs (9&12) are missing or unreliable.
Dave's Point=I really dislike the granite pads, TC Parks and Rec keeps promising to add concrete to 4-9.....that'll be nice.
Other Thoughts: Ratings Breakdown:
Tee Boxes= .25
Signs & Stuff=..75
Dave's Point= 1.0
2 of 2 people found this review helpful.
1 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: -good mix of open and wooded, short and long
-no two holes feel the same
-can use a variety of throws
Cons: -dirt and gravel teepads are worn in on a few holes
-snakes in summer
-a few holes will really punish you for throwing poorly
-can get crowded at times
Other Thoughts: One of my favorite courses to play. Concrete teepads or alt pin placement would really make this a 4 star or higher course for me. Played many rounds here and it still challenges me. One of the few courses where i feel a good sidearm really helps to have.
1 of 2 people found this review helpful.
1 Helpful / 2 Not
Pros: -Good variety of shots required
-Good flow b/t holes
-Grounds are well kept
-Challenging, but not overly so
Cons: -Stickers in the summer like crazy
-Does not drain well
Other Thoughts: Probably one of my favorite courses to play on a regular basis. Has a really great mix of shots required. Has some really good wooded shots that require accuracy, hyzer/anhyzer shots, distance, elevation changes, and a few aceable holes.
Hole by hole breakdown:
1. Depending on the weather, the green can be fast. So, you'll want to adjust your shot accordingly for the skip or lack thereof. I've seen this hole played successfully with everything from a midrange to a 12 speed driver. Just a pure hyzer shot.
2. The most conventional way to play this shot is the forehand hyzer through the gap, and let the skip get you close to the pin. The easier route if you have the shot, is the thumber.
3. Ace run hole. Just a straight shot to the pin, putter or mid depending on your playing style.
4. There is the gorge on the right side of the fairway that many of discs have been thrown into. The only true risk is is you misjudge the wind and your putter/mid turns over. Can usually play the straight shot with a putter/mid or a fairway driver for more of a hyzer route.
5. Typically, unless you have over 500ft of power, just trying to blast out your first shot as far as possible to make for the easiest upshot for a 3. The green is on a hill and makes for a fast green if you hit the left side of the green. Not too many 2's taken here.
6. The wind comes into play a lot on this hole. Not a long shot over the water, but the wind can change that in a hurry. Depending on your power, it's a very two-able hole. I've seen the hole successfully played for the birdie with anything from a fairway driver to a distance driver, just depends on your line preference and playing style.
7. Feels like this should be an easy birdie hole, but the wind can make things a little rough, esp for the backhand thrower. The easiest play is the right hand forehand hyzer if you have the throw and let it skip into the green for the 2. Otherwise for the RHBH player, it's downhill and not a hard throw to get a putter or mid down there. The wind is usually in play though and can turn over the slower molds more easily into the rough.
8. Not the easiest of two's, but not the hardest either. Can be had with either the backhand mid turnover shot or a pure forehand hyzer. Usually trying to play a little right and high of the tree off the tee.
9. Just a straight to fade shot with a putter or mid.
10. I've seen this shot played many of ways. None really a guaranteed two. But pick your favorite gap shot, and let it rip.
11. Typically, most ppl want to play to the placement shot off the tee and get about halfway down the fairway for a more manageable three. Not too many ppl are two-ing this hole without an amazing throw in. Personally I prefer the putter or mid shot off the tee and then another putter shot for the upshot.
12. Playing a hyzer skip with something overstable just trying to get yourself an easy upshot. Can be a crapshoot as to where you land though.
13. I've seen this two parked with a thumber, but if you don't have that shot, you're typically putting out a placement shot with an overstable mold hoping to get as much skip towards the green as possible for an easy upshot for three.
14. Simple hyzer shot.
15. I've seen a two look on this hole a handful of times, but it's rare. Best shots I've seen were flex shots or hyzerflips down the fairway. Typically just trying to get yourself in position for the easiest second shot for a par though.
16. Seemingly a simple shot here. Usually taking a fairway here and just trying to hit the right gap and allow the disc to settle in near the basket. Can be a fast green depending on weather.
17. I've seen this hole 2'ed once in person, very rare. Typically just aiming for the gap at the bottom of the fairway trying to allow for an open upshot. Really want to avoid sawing off your drive and going into the rough on the left or landing short right, as the trees will make for a hard upshot.
18. I've seen this played a number of ways. None of which seems to be any better than the other. Hyzerflip to straight or a flat shot with a straight disc through the gap will work, there's a backdrop that can help, so you can use pretty much any speed of disc you'd like, as it'll stop you from going too far if you come in hot.
1 of 3 people found this review helpful.
3 Helpful / 1 Not
Big Ballin’ Bill
Pros: Bill Allen has many of the things that make a course go from adequate to great. A sense of mystery as to what adventure the next hole will have waiting for you. Big bombs from off hilltops, tight tunnel shots over flowing creeks, technical short drives followed by carefully placed long approaches, Risk/ Reward birdies and holes with multiple lines off the tee pad all make for a round of golf that makes you want to start over and play it again. Baskets are in good shape and course foliage and fairways are conscientiously maintained. There are adequate tables and trash cans which also aid in creating a good experience.
Cons: The cons of the course are few but need mentioning. The tee pads in the middle portion of the course are gravel and can cause slips or falls. Also, a few holes come dangerously close to parking lots and streets. Signs could use some updating as well.
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