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 Like a Cottonmouth: Tricky, Winding, and Nasty

1    9/27/2008   9/29/2008
Review By: Texconsinite
Played: 138  Reviewed: 79  Exp: 9.7 Years
This review was updated on 4/5/2009
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Pros: This course offers a variety of technical challenges. Many different types of shots helps. Also, concrete tee pads on every hole, and grass areas of the course "fairways" (if they can be called that) are free of dead branches or garbage. Not an especially scenic course, but a very tricky romp through tightly wooded areas. This is probably one of the most heavily wooded courses I've ever played. Many times, you will be literally threading the needle to lay up off the tee.
Cons: Absolutely flat. This course has no terrain in play whatsoever. The woods make for a seemingly tricky challenge, since the route to the pin is often very winding, making it difficult to find a line through the trees. At first it was very intriguing, but eventually, it became frustrating at times.

Playing with some locals who know "the way" to play the course (and who beat me soundly), I eventually realized that they just threw spike hyzers up and over the trees to the pin on almost every hole. The thing about this is that the trees like to grab discs and not drop them, so unplayable lies in the branches were common, even for the locals. It became apparent that the only way to shoot par on this course is to play up and over the trees on every hole, and hope your disc makes it through the canopy without getting stuck. The one who's disc gets stuck in the trees the least is the winner.

This takes all the intrigue out of the holes, or picking lines, when you can play the same line (giant spike hyzer up and over) on most holes and the deciding factor is luck and distance, not skill. This is characteristic of what course designer John Houck calls "dumb holes". Ironically, John Houck designed this course.

IMO I would rather pick a line and thread it through the trees, and tried to on this course, but realized many holes aren't designed for that, since luck is rewarded more than skill. Staying under the canopy, several holes are just a game of pinball between trees, with no line to the basket that I could see.

Also, the rough that you inevitably land in is very very thick and very thorny. Its strange for a course so popular to not at least thin the edges. This makes it extra punishing when your shots deviate off the fairway, which is easy to do here.

To paraphrase John Houck: Risk reward means that if the fairway is harder to land on, the rough should be less severe. Likewise, if the fairway is easy to hit, a bad shot can be punished more severely. This course has several fairways very hard to hit, bounded by nasty rough. Punishing.

I never thought I would say this, because I love wooded courses and tight tunnel shots, but this is an example of a course being very challenging, but not all that fun. Mainly this is because most shots are risk-reward with slim rewards (just staying on the fairway) and high risk (nasty brush)

Also, most of the trees here are short enough to go over the top, while many of other wooded courses I have played (ex. Blue Ribbon Pines, Spring Valley) have taller trees with thicker canopies, preventing this shot on many holes and keeping the big arms honest.
Other Thoughts: The brush on this course is NASTY, and you will go in it sooner or later!! Wear jeans, or you will get torn up by thorns.

Disclaimer: This is by no means a bad course, and I would like to play it again someday now that I know what to expect. However, there are other courses in the area that are much more fun, so this would not be my first choice were I to go back.

Many of the locals would call this the best course in the Corpus Christi area. I would disagree.

The 3rd Coast Disc Golf Club are a quality group of guys, and the guidance and hospitality of all the members I ran into made this course playable for me, a first time visitor. If you are up for the challenge and think you can tame this beast, get a local and/or map. You don't want to get turned around on this course.

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