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 Goodness Gracious,

5+    11/13/2010   11/22/2010
Review By: cali
Played: 67  Reviewed: 4  Exp: 15.5 Years
6 Helpful / 7 Not
Pros: Where to start! This course has so much to really test your limits as a player whether you are new to the sport or a seasoned professional. I mean seriously, I've never played a course where I have had to just analyze every single shot so meticulously, edging myself mentally and physically to go for that extra few feet off the drive or finding that perfect sweet spot on the fairway with a placement shot to open up a hole to the target. I can honestly say that getting some of my 2's out there from the SHORT tees have been some of the most satisfying moments of my 8 years playing disc golf. This course URGES you to make those critical putts and get those tricky upshots just a few feet closer to the pin. Most holes, your drive off the box has to be pretty spot on to stay out of trouble, but if you do end up in a trouble area, recovery is not too difficult like with some of the honeysuckle infested courses in the area. I'm going to add more to this section so stay turned.
Cons: Some spots on the fairway are like prison bars with trees! Matt has assured us that they will be lightly thinning out some of the trouble areas. I vote they leave them! Just adds to the challenge!
Other Thoughts: Play it and you'll love it. Come prepared for a 3 hour round though because she is huge.

6 of 13 people found this review helpful.

  Never a boring round!

5+    11/21/2010   11/21/2010
Review By: Garrett76zt
Played: 204  Reviewed: 1  Exp: 15.4 Years
11 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: Simply put, I love that you will never have a boring round at this course. Personally, I hate playing courses with nothing but pars and the occasional deuce or bogie. This course gives you the "opportunity" to shoot anything from deuce to a 9 depending on the hole. Unlike many courses you could actually see a 2 or 3 stroke swing between you and an opponent on one hole. To me thats interesting.

I love the shots that this course makes me throw, especially from the longs. Hole 2 for example has a very winding "fairway" to the hole. I like to take the most overstable disc in my bag and throw a high RHFH spike anhyzer and get it to flex out into a severe s-turn. Thats just fun stuff!
This course is a throwers course, and I dont mean distance. You must execute throw after throw. Some holes are par 5 from the longs which means 4 out of 5 throws you are not putting, more or less. I love/hate that, haha.
Cons: This course is young and is still pretty raw in some areas. I feel each hole was designed well but the beauty in the lines/fairways is sometimes overshadowed by unlucky obstacles. There are still lots of brambles and 1 inch thick vines hanging around all over the place. The fairways are already so tight, I want to be rewarded for executing and many times you just throw your hands up because you need luck in addition to skill. Often you see a line, execute it perfectly and one time it goes straight to the hole and other times it doesnt even get half way, same hole, same route.

Because of all that I feel like this will be a difficult course to shoot consistently at(at least right now). In tournament I could see you shooting 5-8 strokes difference between rounds, especially from the longs.

Hole 13 is the only one that right now is an unfair hole. There is just no clear fairway to the basket from the pad (shorts in particular) there might be two different unconnected paths, but even thats a stretch. You're taking anywhere from a 3-6 on this hole.
Other Thoughts: Overall, I love the course and would rather see them remove to little than too much in terms of trees and overgrowth.

I'm a 942 rated player right now and feel that the par 65 for the shorts (A pins) is fair. I have shot a few 990+ rated tournament rounds this summer for reference and I played well today shooting a 61. Playing my best I could probably knock 3 strokes off that score. On the other hand, you're on crack if you think a 67 is a reasonable par from the longs. I believe 65 or so would be an SSA rating for this course. Par should be in the range of 73 or so.

11 of 12 people found this review helpful.

 Finally A SWEET Course

5+    11/7/2010   11/15/2010
Review By: kily
Played: 355  Reviewed: 3  Exp: 40.2 Years
This review was updated on 11/25/2010
5 Helpful / 10 Not
Pros: This is one of the most chalanging courses that I've played. As a new course the minor issues with signs will be corrected and the idiots will clear far more trees then anyone really thinks should be cut. That being said, playing HAH will make any player better by forcing them to play a wide variety of shots and many that they will need to learn to play this course under par.
Cons: No tee signs on the white tee (being correct). I didn't see the problem with trees with the exception of hole 2 (being corrected this weekend).
Other Thoughts: As I read the other reviews and comments online, I wonder how many actualy took the time to look at the tee signs. Yes the white tees need signs and a few of them are hard to locate at first, but all can be found after looking at the tee signs on the blue tees. All of the holes have a significantly defined fairway where the tee sign says it is. I think the problem for most is they cleared so much honeysuckle away from the fairways that people either don't see the intended fairway or think the entire areas cleared of honeysuckle is the fairway. The best way to play this and any new course would be to walk the intended lines. Then go back and throw a few and don't forget to keep track of what you throw and the landmarks you use to play your line. If you think this is the same old disc golf course and walk up thinking you will be able to see every thing and rip it without thinking you will be lost and not like this course.

5 of 15 people found this review helpful.


2-4    11/13/2010   11/14/2010
Review By: whatweretheythinkin
Played: 3  Reviewed: 3
6 Helpful / 13 Not
Pros: Anytime there is a new course it is a great thing. A lot of nice extras. Two set of tee pads, beautiful tee signs and good directional signs. I am sure it took a lot of people a large amount of time to put this in and finding people to do this can be difficult.
Cons: Where are the fairways. I see a lot of people think it's an excellent course, but how can you come to that conclusion?? There is no defined line on a vast majority of the holes. Yes they are "tight", but this is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, there are some well thought out holes that play well, but it seemed a bit rushed in areas.
Other Thoughts: Get ready for a long round!!!!! Took us almost 4 hours to play. Probably won't play it again until some trees get removed, if that is their plan fro the future. My reason for a low review wasn't based on score. Shot 67 from the long tees. Just make in playable.

6 of 19 people found this review helpful.

 A great but tough course

1    10/30/2010   11/12/2010
Review By: Bikinimower
Played: 153  Reviewed: 67  Exp: 15.1 Years
12 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: Great Park, Whenever you find a course located inside a public park odds are it's going to be mowed and well cared for, this one is no exception. Beautiful course

Great Land, You wouldn't think at first glance when you arrive but there is some excellent land out there and they did a great job taking advantage of it.

On alot of courses the hard tees are pretty much the same shot as the beginner tees but longer. Not here though, they did a great job of making the advanced tees noticeably different and harder. Often placed from a different elevation or vantage point or strategically placed behind some obstacle

Challenging, weaving around the trees can be frustrating but it's almost always fun.

Cons: Challenging, some will say that some of the fairways have too many trees. Those people could be right but there are definable lines. They may be tough but they are there. Whether or not I felt it was too dense varied from hole to hole. It seemed that when I hit the line I thought they were great but when I cracked it off a tree I thought the lines were too tight. It's funny how that works

Still a lot of brush (and maybe excess trees) to be cleared out but that's the case with nearly every single new course. I'm pretty sure that with time and care that will stop being a problem.

This is the 1st course I've every played with a corporate name. I know Handyman Ace Hardware is hardly an evil bloodsucking corporate giant but I live in fear of the day when the sport grows to the point where I have to pay 20 bucks to play Disc Golf at Nike Woods Park
Other Thoughts: Another great course to add to a Dayton area that's already loaded with great courses. Dayton, Columbus, and Cincinnati together form some sort of Disc Golf Triangle of Greatness. They all have some fantastic courses and it seems like there's a new great course being built every week

It weaves in and out from a field into the woods
but the majority of the course is wooded. It's tough but fair and hitting some of the lines will be difficult but I think this course was designed with an advanced player in mind. If you just starting out then you may want to try somewhere else

There are a series of holes that start at 7 and go till 12 or so that wind around a creek. I loved those holes! The creek comes into play several times and they really used the land to perfection.

If you live anywhere in the Columbus, Dayton, Cincinnati area then it's a must to hit this place up. Hitting a great line can be just as fun as launching a giant open field drive. (which by the way this course has several of those as well) It would be a great course to work on your accuracy. Good job guys

12 of 13 people found this review helpful.

 Watch out Mt. Airy

2-4    11/3/2010   11/10/2010
Review By: cedarvillian
Played: 73  Reviewed: 2  Exp: 13.4 Years
8 Helpful / 4 Not
Pros: This brand new course has the potential to be the best in OH, rivaling courses like Mt. Airy in Cincinnati. Concrete tee pads (both short and long on all but holes#8 & #12), good signage, and top notch baskets with alternate pin placements.
The designers have made very creative use of elevation, distances, obstacles (including water) in this heavily wooded park. This is a very challenging course and will force you to be creative with your shots since there are really only three holes (#4, #5, & #12) that could be described as mainly "out in the open." Many courses tend to favor RHBH throwers like myself, but this one evens the playing field for back handed lefties or forehand throwers. I typically shoot in the 50's, but this course handed me a 73 from the short tees on my first try.
Cons: In my opinion, the course needs to be thinned out a bit on several holes:
Minor thinning needed:
#2 - the drive isn't too bad, but the second shot is just luck. Too many small trees on the approach to the basket
#6 - just a couple trees removed here and it will be great
#10 - the fairway has a few too many trees
(Holes #14, #15 could stand a little thinning as well. They aren't bad now that the trees have dropped their leaves, but come spring / summer-time, all the trees might make these holes more based on luck than skill)

Major thinning needed:
#9, #11 (to the right), & #13 - getting down the fairway just seems to be luck of the draw on these holes.

I understand that the designers probably wanted to err on the side of caution as far as tree removal for this course since it's a whole lot easier to take trees out than it is to put them back in! Once this course is thinned a bit, I'll change my rating to a 5!
Other Thoughts: Plan on 2-3 hours to play this course ... it's not one that you can get through quickly.
If you have a disc that floats, bring it to use on holes #7 (B Pin) & #8, which cross a wide stream. My buddy had a disc go in the water that we were able to retrieve with a long tree branch, but it would have been difficult to retrieve if it had sunk to the bottom.
If it's your first visit to the park, the course is a bit tricky to find, so be sure to read the directions on the course page (when you get into the park, follow the road around to the right ... you'll feel like you're just going into a parking lot, but there is a road at the other end of this lot that curves left and takes you down a hill and deep into the park where the course starts)
A lot of tree leafs drop on holes #2 & # 18 in the fall and discs have a tendency to bury themselves based on the angle of the land. Send out a "spotter" if you're playing with a group, or be prepared to dig around the heavy leaf litter looking for your disc.
This is a "must-play" course and will only get better with time!

8 of 12 people found this review helpful.

 Hope you like trees!

2-4    11/7/2010   11/9/2010
Review By: yankeefanjln
Played: 45  Reviewed: 6  Exp: 8.2 Years
7 Helpful / 3 Not
Pros: High degree of difficulty. Opportunity for pretty good variety of shots. Beautiful park with very nice woods on the top part of the course - especially in the fall. The signage is top quality.
There are many trees and I like playing in the woods. It's fun to try to find a shot through what looks like an impossible situation.
Cons: The creek is hungry! Beware the holes that go right along the creek. There is a deep layer of mud just below the surface of the water so even if it looks like your disk is in only a few inches of water in a shallow creek, you may have to choose between a lost disc or ruined shoes. The mud comes right up to the banks so throw in such a way as to take the water out of play when possible.
There are many, many trees. Hitting trees is unavoidable on this course. The pars are higher than at other courses, but it's still tough to get through some of the denser woods.
Other Thoughts: It is really fun to play a course that makes you work hard on almost every hole. Creative shotlines will help avoid some trees but there are so many that you should plan on hitting some. Each time I've been on the course so far there have been several groups before and behind me so it looks like the course is drawing well.

7 of 10 people found this review helpful.


1    11/7/2010   11/7/2010
Review By: jimcramer24
Played: 25  Reviewed: 12  Exp: 7.4 Years
This review was updated on 8/20/2012
2 Helpful / 7 Not
Pros: Tough challenging holes. I loved the change in terrain. The holes are well-designed. This course is really coming into it's own. The fairways are in great shape and the course is just getting better with time.

2 of 9 people found this review helpful.

 Play This Course.

1    11/6/2010   11/7/2010
Review By: Jay Dub
Played: 91  Reviewed: 5  Exp: 37.6 Years
18 Helpful / 2 Not
Pros: Disc-laimer: All comments in this review are my personal opinion. I have not talked to the course designer or the Dayton club about the installation of this course.

We played long (blue) tees to pin A placements, according to the course designer that's where the baskets will stay all winter. I throw RHBH.

This course is Dayton, Ohio's answer to Idlewild. It's located on good land and as tough as Idlewild. The tees are the best they can be, the tee signs are great. (See cons).
The course is new but while walking the round it looks as though it's been installed for years. (See cons). Nice bridges and pathways. Great signage to make sure you know where to go for your next hole. The paths are worn well. You can tell a lot of work has been done to this area to get it ready for the golf course.

#1 is challenging but fair,
#2 needs the fairway opened from the long tee, too much luck involved at this point but a great design if cleared.

3 & 4 are fair as is.
5 is no problem.

#6 is a very nice turn over shot with the basket next to the creek that runs along side the fairway. More clearing is needed here.
#7 I'll pass on, must have been a bad hole for me, I can't recall the fairway.

#8 has a bridge to the tee, leave your bag at the entrance to the bridge and take something that will turn over 220' for you. The tricky part about this great hole is you throw diagonally across the water. Most of the 220' is over water with limbs on your right, turn over too soon and it will be wet.

#9 has a great 1st layup shot, but make sure you get it across the creek that you don't see unless you walk up the fairway first. Your second (third and forth ;) ) shot are long, thru the trees luck shots with the basket on top a thin mound. I think the pin placement on this hole is unfair. If you miss your putt it will roll down the 6'+ hill, and maybe into OB. I would hope after snaking your way thru all the trees to get close for a putt, a player would not have to deal with more luck. Great hole but put the basket some where else or give the top of the mound more flat surface.

#10. Again the hidden creek comes into play at about 225'. I walked up to this tee and said, I'll just throw two 250' shots. That's what I did and got a 3.

#11 gives you 2-3 options, which is great but all the options need cleared out more.

#12...long walk from 11, something Dayton seems to do with their courses. This is a double mando which is something I prefer not to see. But in this case it makes perfect sense and is the shot you should throw anyway.

#13, long walk again. This long tee is shared with #4's long tee. Good design imo, but the drive off the tee is a luck shot. Big hyzer shot that needs cleared out. The design is good though.

#14, 15,16 & 17...now I'm getting tired and played these holes badly. Like most holes they have good designs but more clearing would make it a 5 rating.

#18. A great downhill shot but again too much luck. Clear out some of the trees to make this fair and it's a great finishing hole.

This is definitely a course to add to your calender.
Cons: The tee signs are all located at the long tees. If playing the short tees you will have to walk a good distance, on some holes, just to read the sign and see the maps. Also the orientation of the tee signs could be improved. Currently some get you confused, after a minute or two of studying the sign and looking 360, you can understand where you need to go.

There are a lot of the fairways that are not quite fair yet, from what I have read and heard about this course, more work is to be done. I saw a lot of trees with ribbons around them, if they are there to have them cut down, that will be a good start. Too much luck on too many holes at this point, but the design looks solid beyond that.
Other Thoughts: Play this course, you will be glad you did if you're in the area or have a trip planned there.
I gave it a 3.50 star rating only because a 3.75 wasn't available. In the future I'm sure this will be a 5 star course, but only after more work is done.

More Idlewild comparisons:
I shot an 80 yesterday at Fairborn. Long tees at Idlewild I shot an 83 with a bad front 9 and a decent back 9. I got 2 deuces at Idlewild and only 2 threes at Fairborn. I got 8s at Idlewild but never shot over a 6 at Fairborn, but got quite a few of them.

18 of 20 people found this review helpful.

 Great New Course

5+    12/11/2010   11/2/2010
Review By: OldTaz
Played: 42  Reviewed: 2  Exp: 9.4 Years
This review was updated on 2/2/2011
9 Helpful / 11 Not
Pros: -Makes you play, or encourages you to learn new shots
- Easy to navigate around course
- Should be a challenge for the good players, can't just grip and rip, trees can knock the best throws down
- Par 4's and 5's appear to be legitimate par 4's and 5's
- Equalizer, short arms take a couple of long throws before putting, where the long arms need at least a layout before putting

Cons: - some tee signs need to be re-located (understand this is in the works)
- tee signs on short pads (also understand this is in the works)
Other Thoughts: As time goes on, this course should improve. Some of the dead limbs that catch you now will be gone.
Great course now, like wine, should improve with age
The more I play, the more I like it. Once you become familiar with the lines, it becomes a matter of being able to put the disc on line. Lines ARE there, just takes repetition.

9 of 20 people found this review helpful.

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