Leilas beauty hides the devil within
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Pros: An absolutely beautiful course in a unique and magnificent park.
Variety: Very good (but could've been excellent). Ridiculously well-wooded for the distances of these holes, but has enough holes where you can let loose. Fairways of varying shapes and complexities, where you need to hit landing zones. Needs to shorten some holes to provide some semblance of reality and balance.
Challenge: Somewhere between, "You want me to do WHAT?!" and "May the good lord have mercy on your soul."
Elevation: Dripping with it; used in every way you can think of.
Aesthetics: One of the very prettiest courses to ever hand my ass to me.
Memorable Holes: #1 is a punch in the face from the opening bell. #2 is just a great golf hole. #5 would be the sig hole if not for... #11 = monster bomber from an elevated tee over an open field waaayyy down' below, that plays to a guarded basket. There are several others that would be notable if these weren't so firmly cemented in my mind.
Navigation: Print the map. This course is so massive, and the holes kind of skip around in seemingly random fashion that you really need the map or you'll be hunting all day. That said, course actually kinda flows OK if you know where to head next.
Equipment: Excellent. Nice concrete tees. Wonderful baskets. Great signage.
Fun/Wow Factor: More wow than fun, but certainly some holes that are lot of fun.
Insanely difficult: You shouldn't design a course while dropping acid. It's not that the wooded holes are entirely too tight, entirely too long, or too hilly. It's the way they've combined all these elements that borders on delusional. The pins simply aren't accessible in 3 or 4 shots given how long, tight, and twisted these fairways are. I simply did my best to play from point to point and avoid losing a disc
Factor in how thick the growth is just off the fairways, how steep the drop offs can be, and the distance you need to get down the fairway to set up a chance at a par... you absolutely must have a spotter if you're playing aggressive off the tee, or you ARE losing discS... plural.
Several places where walking paths can come into play.
Walking long, hilly fairways gets tiresome. Regardless how well the tee signs portray the hole, you'll still be walking the fairways looking for pins because you can see right from the tee how unforgiving the wooded fairways are. Given how obviously tight things are, you can't help but take a look to see if maybe things open up a bit further down, and try to figure out what your best play is given your skill set. No tee sign can help you with that.
Cart friendly: Only if you're as crazy as the course designer... but probably not impossible.
Other Thoughts: Leila is anomaly wrapped in an enigma, and one of the most unique courses I've ever played. This course comes at you in an unrelenting manner. Its combination of beauty, challenge, and shock & awe, might best be described as diabolical. It's not that it's a beat down that keeps me from rating it higher. It's that it's a beat down you can't possibly win.
I'm struggling with a rating on this one because it's anything but typical. It's one of those things that has to be seen to be believed. I can't fault anyone for saying it's excellent, nor can I fault anyone for saying it sucks. I'll just say it's more a curiosity than a destination course.
If you're looking for an enjoyable round, keep driving. But if you're feeling adventurous, and don't mind getting bullied by a beauty, bring a few friends to Battle Creek.
I mean it about bringing friends:
1) You'll want to see the looks on their faces when they see where these baskets are, or when you get to #5, and # 11.
2) You'll want as many eyes as possible looking for discs.
7 of 7 people found this review helpful.
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Time will tell/Me VS Mother Nature
Pros: I love the next level of difficulty. I had a lot of good holes but the lack of course knowledge is what killed me. I had some sick putts having the confidence of the VORTEX by Arroyo. Difficulty factor a plus for me and I got that on almost every hole.
The best scenery I've seen in the KZoo/BC area to date.
If I have all day this is where I will play.
Cons: Next tee was the biggest problem I had.The fairways need brush/stumps removed (volunteer work of course) Couple uphill tees like 15 could be moved to the other side of the landscaping.
The natural tees in the grass will turn to dust if this gets a lot of play.
Mosquitos will carry you off the course if you let them.
Some people will say there is no line on some holes.
Other Thoughts: Im not a thousand rated golfer but I would say 60-66 is good any day. This course will punish you if you try to squeeze off too much on some of the holes. If you like very difficult disc golf you will love this course when it has signs. The map will help the experienced around the course for their first time. Send spotters because as of right now there is a lot of brush you could lose your disc in, and because the holes are mostly blind.
I had a lot of fun throwing my shots but not finding where I was supposed to throw them (for my first time here). Gorgeous property will be very attractive to everyone but brutal to the inexperienced disc golfer. Have fun don't litter.
4 of 4 people found this review helpful.
11 Helpful / 0 Not
a BEAST of a course with nowhere to go but up!!
Aesthetic-- plays through a relatively scenic tree preserve (arboretum). area is NOT disc golf exclusive at all times and plays over several pathways and roads. please dear god be careful
Baskets--Arroyo Vortex-- very catchy. this is my first time using these and they were very good baskets. I would recommend adding tall flags to the baskets at some point to increase visibility.
Routing/nav- not as bad as I excpected, I posted an updated map (I had got one from one of the designers) to help with navigation
Risk v Reward-- this course absolutely demands accuracy. fairways are tight and winding. Rough is SUPER rough and will punish errant throws.
Pucker factor-- I said "dear god," more times on this course than any other course I've ever played. This is truly EPIC woods disc golf.
signature hole(s)-- #11 has to be the signature hold here. plays downhill, across a "sink" and up a hill in a grove of pines. however, plays across two pathways so be careful. #5 is also a 800+ ft monster!.
Hugeness- this course is an absolute monster and plays far longer than it seems. the holes seem to keep going for ever before a basket is there.
lack of signage- in talking with one of the head people, signage will hopefully be in in a couple weeks. for the time being, pads are marked with orange flags or just rubber mats... I tried to number the flags and mats to make it easier to know what hole is what. Next tee signs would also be helpful
Teepads-- I'm sure tee pads will eventually go in.. for now the natural pads are a little better than the rubber mats as the rubber mats are lumpy in places
Uncontrollables-- The bugs here are rediculous. be sure to bring bug spray!! or face the wraith of skeeters (get it?)
Last Point-- I like to be able to see the basket from the tee most of the time but I think that this only happens on one tee (#15). kind of makes you question where the hell you are actually throwing... Defined fairways will happen with time.
Other Thoughts: This is my 100th course I've played... It did not disappoint and I will be back to check out some of the upgrades!
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