Not every course needs 18 holes.
5 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: PROS are mostly that I actually LOVE THIS COURSE. But have to give it a 1, because it is very poorly designed.
- Long wide open holes in an area with extremely few courses that offer this setting. Here in NC 95% of courses are heavily wooded and having this beautiful wide open course is an amazing addition to the area.
- The course is in a beautifully maintained park, which means you don't have to worry too much about snakes, tics, etc.
The major con is that at least 25% of this course should just be scrapped entirely. I absolutely adore the front 9, but I doubt anyone would miss the back 9 if it disappeared tomorrow. From now on when I play this course I'll be playing the front 9 twice rather than even bothering with the back 9. I understand WHY the back 9 is the way it is, they don't have the space to turn that second half of the park into a quality disc golf course. The woods to the right of the fairway through 11 and 12 is some of the thickest and dangerous brush I've experienced in my time playing disc golf. On 12 I threw a fantastic drive that just so happened to touch the one obstacle it could which was a large branch hanging out over the fairway, and it sent my disc about 5 feet into the brush. Alright, no problem right? Just go in and get it? NOPE. It was literally surrounded by a FORTRESS of thorns and poison oak. This is not acceptable in my opinion, the parks&rec team should do something about that because I got shredded by hook thorns trying to get my disc back, which I couldn't actually do at first (Until I came back with some devices from my car to get the job done.)
Other Thoughts: Overall, I love the idea of this course and I want it to be better. I'm glad that they changed 3 from a 1,000 ft hole into two separate holes, but they need to update the signs because that's super confusing! As others have said the par 6 and par 2 nonsense needs to go. The problem with the back 9 is lack of space, many holes are the same shit, many are too close to the soccer fields, maybe set up a fence for those... Hole 15 was the only nice hole in the back 9, the only one I'd miss, but even it had problems. If you are going to set up such a hard tee shot, at least make sure there is some path towards the basket once you get out of it. My wife tossed my zombee over the fence into the farm land and there's barbed wire so you can't get it out, I had to get a really long stick to get it back. So maybe put up a bigger fence there or ask the farmer to cut one small section out so you can get your discs back.
In the end I'd recommend just scrapping the entire back 9, it's just not worth the risk of pegging a soccer mom in the back of the neck with a destroyer or tossing an $18 disc over a barbed wire fence that you can't get over. As I said, from now on I'll be playing the front 9 twice rather than even thinking about the back 9, it'll be a much better experience.
5 of 6 people found this review helpful.
6 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: If you don't have a big arm, this wide open but extremely long course will humble you...regardless of which tees you play from.
1. Open. There aren't many near-100% wide open courses like this in North Carolina. It's unique, in that sense. If you'd like to see what disc golf on a ball golf style course feels like, try this one. There's one truly wooded hole, #2, a tunnel hole between pine trees, with branches shaping the top of the tunnel and tree trunks forming the left and right walls. #15 also has some trees to contend with on the tee shot, then a few more guarding the basket. All other holes are open to wide open, with some treelines bordering one side of the fairway and a few well-positioned trees guarding a few baskets.
2. Alt tees. There are three sets of tees, Gold, Blue, and White. All are long, Gold exceptionally so.
3. Elevation. In addition to being long and open, there are a number of elevated tees that allow you to throw your disc out over an open expanse and watch the full flight in all its beauty. If you need to work on your power drive, there are few courses that compare to this one.
4. My favorite hole was #12. It has a very steep and tall embankment to the left and a treeline to the right, making it one of the few holes to this point on the course with a well-defined fairway. There are a few more holes with defined fairways coming down the home stretch--more on them in the cons section.
Cons: 1. Afterthought holes. Holes 16 and 17 are complete throw away holes. They're much shorter than the rest of the course, only about 200 feet from the white tees, with a treeline bordering the right side of the fairway and a road on the left. Theses holes are right on the road, albeit a low traffic one, unless there are a lot park goers. These holes seemed to be placed here for no other reason than to connect the gigantic loop around the perimeter of the park.
2. Par 6's?! I appreciate that not all courses are going to be the same. It's nice to have some tight, technical courses and some long, open ones. But this course just has distance for the sake of distance. Par 6 holes? Really? One of those par 6's is the worst hole on the course, in my opinion: #8. When you finish #7, there's a tee right beside the basket for #8. No sign. You can backtrack to a tee a little ways down the hill. That's the Gold tee and it does have a sign. From this, you can deduce that the unmarked tee is the Blues. Anyway, it's a par 6 with nowhere to throw to. The road is to the left. The "fairway" is down a steep embankment from the road and is impossibly narrow, overgrown, with thick brush and trees to the right. I didn't know how to approach this hole, so I kept walking and eventually came across the white tees. From here, it's a perfectly fine hole, but they have it as a par 5. It should be a par 3. Otherwise, I made my first ever eagle and my drive wasn't even that long.
3. And more par 6's! #18 is another to complain about. You get to the tees, three sets again, and they're all par 6. I threw from the whites again. As I worked my way down the fairway, I see another tee. It's also for #18, all three layouts using this tee, and it denotes the hole as a par 3. Pretty confusing.
4. No shade whatsoever. After the tunnel hole, #2, there is not one bit of shade on the rest of the course until you get to #15. It feels like an oasis of you're playing on a hot, sunny day like I did. But alas, it only lasts for a about 100 feet before you're back into the sun.
5. Small tees. The tees are good quality, but they're too narrow and short, especially for such a long course where you may want a longer run-up to your drive.
Other Thoughts: One pro I didn't mention was proximity to I-40/85. This makes it a course I can see myself playing again if I'm traveling and have time to pull over to play. The problem is, the course is so long--with long walks in between some holes too!--that it takes longer than a typical round of disc golf. I don't think Springwood is a bad course at all--it's good quality--but it's not for everybody. If you like the ball golf style of disc golf, this is a great course to try out.
6 of 6 people found this review helpful.
3 Helpful / 8 Not
Pros: Changes have been made.
Cons: Those changes are not reflexed on this site.
Other Thoughts: hole 1. No Change
hole 2. No Change
hole 3. Has been split into holes 3 & 4 making it more playable for the average golfer. Short grass is still OB but there are no mandatories on either hole.
hole 4. new (see above statement)
hole 5. formally know as hole 4 is now 5 and the short 150' hole 5 is gone.
hole 6. no change
hole 7. no change
hole 8. the most changed hole on the course. You now play on the pad next to the entrance to the shelter parking lot for Blue and White the pin is now in the middle of the field adjacent to the Shelters. Much shorter than its original 1200 feet and more playable away from all the brush.
hole 9. no change
hole 10 - 16 no changes
hole 17 is really short now, due to the construction just to the right of that fairway. From the short pad it's pretty much a jump putt.
Hole 18. The was removed from its elevated flower box and moved closer to the Tee by around 10 or 15 feet.
There are some more changes on going but I'll update this again once those are in place.
3 of 11 people found this review helpful.
5 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: I always stop and play golf while I am passing through towns on my journeys. You never know what you might find.......
Well, I liked how nice the park was. Very nice piece of property. Beautiful trees and softly rolling landscape at times. The tee pads are super solid, for concrete that is (I prefer rubber,..it's easier on the knees). This course had some really fun holes to play......Like #1.....Uphill & reachable w/ OB looming. This course requires a variety of shots. If you don't have a roller, GET ONE!
Cons: Duplicate holes everywhere. Loads of pedestrians. It took me over 3 hours to play because of non-golf foot traffic. Distance just for the sake of throwing far. Then trowing far again. And again.....then you can putt. This is not the type of park that I would use to introduce new players to the game. I would also not bring anyone rated over 925 here either. The latter will be bored and the former will be frustrated.
Other Thoughts: Moving some pin placements and/or tee pads would greatly help this course. I bet that the could fit a total of 20-22 holes at this park. I bet a tournament round would take 4 hours. I really appreciate the effort, but it needs some work.
5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
6 Helpful / 0 Not
Mental Toughness Required
Pros: -The park is in a very nice area
-The course is different than most courses in the Greensboro/Burlington area (it is similar to the long positions at Cedarock, but not as open).
-There are a variety of shots you will need.
-The designers thought out the holes, and there are a variety of ways to play many holes.
-Nice park in a nice area
-All fairways (except part of hole 8) are very well-groomed.
Cons: -Requires waiting on/watching out for others on some holes (3, 4, and 13 come to mind)
-Drainage issues on some holes (the rough on 8-13 and parts of the fairway on each of those holes)
-OB and mandos are unclear. I realize they are for safety, and I usually dislike any OB/Mandos. I like these boundaries, but they should be clearer on the hole signs. I assume they would be marked for a tourney.
-Fairway on 8 isn't kept well on the hill running through the middle of the fairway.
Other Thoughts: -Not a course for beginners (this is neither a pro nor a con. However, if a beginner plays this course it will probably turn them off from disc golf or they will hurt someone and turn that person off from disc golf).
-I asked a lady what she thought about disc golf in the park, and she said that everyone has to share any public park, this one included.
-This course demands accuracy. If you don't throw accurate shots, you'll lose a disc (like me), end up OB, or get in the way of others. If you cannot throw accurate shots, or if you choose not to throw accurate shots, this isn't a course for you.
-If you're mentally prepared to throw shorter shots for the sake of accuracy, then come play the course.
6 of 6 people found this review helpful.
7 Helpful / 3 Not
Soccer Moms love Disc Golf
Pros: -Championship lay out.
-Par ranges from a 2 to a 6
-Good workout from walking
-Cement pads and great tee signs
Cons: -Championship lay out unplayable most of the year.
-Just cus you call the short holes a par 2 or a long hole a par 6 doesnt change how people score on them
- lots and lots and lots of walking
-some tee pads seem to be pointed slightly off direction
-some holes are repeats back to back and are virtually the same holes 9 and 10 and holes 16 and 17
-Throwing booming shots into, at and around large groups of other park users
Other Thoughts: If you ever wanted to play a championship style course and have no consideration what so ever for the safety of the other park users look no further.
7 of 10 people found this review helpful.
21 Helpful / 2 Not
Not a good fit for the area
Pros: I met with the designers when they were pouring the concrete and I overheard all of the good things that went into the idea of this course. A lot of good players/veterans of the sport did a lot of work here with the city to a get this course set in. The intensions of everyone involved were awesome and they told me they really want to make this a place where an event like Worlds would be held. The tees are beautiful, the score cards are amazing and most of the holes are definitely fun; if you want to know which ones then read other reviews. There is no point on beating the nail on the head here; we all know which holes are fun and which ones aren't.
Cons: Cons....haha it's obvious. It's so obvious that my jaw drops every time I'm reminded of the skilled players who came out here to verify the layout. How many people do you think can throw 400-500ft, dodge the abundant amount of mandos and OB's then drop the disc on a 10ft wide fair way all while not hitting any of the pedestrians? I like courses that add variety but the 1000ft long holes followed by short par 2's will hypothetically cause back up if there ever was a tournament on this course. Hole 18 still blows my mind, I understand the concept of placement but if I have to get into my putting stance on the tee so I can place it for my second shot...that's terrible.
Other Thoughts: I'm a power thrower and when I first heard about the distances of these holes I was excited. Let me also say, I've never left a review on this site until I played this course. To me this course was one of the biggest let downs to play and I fear for the damage it WILL cause to the sport of disc golf, specifically in the Burlington NC area. Recently disc golfers have left a very sour taste in Burlington's parks and rec department which has already cost us an amazing temp course at Cedarrock park. In a few more months, especially the next little league soccer season, you can expect a flurry of complaints from all the soccer moms out there. The extremely difficult and powerful throws right over or at children will end in injuries and arguments. I grew up in the area and I played soccer out here as a kid and I can assure you the parents of these children will not be kind to this. I love disc golf and the community but many of the participants decide that they can't play sober so they'll bring their vices here and think that it won't be a big deal because they do this at every park they play at. This park is different; you are mere feet away from children's games, sidelines, parents and officials. This will stir trouble and again, cause complaints, get the game removed from the park anyways and inhibit any other courses from being established in the area. So let me go ahead and say thanks in advance to those losers who will cause trouble for the rest of us. In regards to holes that are safety concerns, I think they can be fixed by rerouting so you're not throwing at or up against playing fields (seems like this should have been done the first time) and yes this may mean that you can't have a 1000ft hole but where does it say that you can't have fun on a hole if it's not 1000ft long? I do believe with some more serious work this course has potential to be fun for all level of players so that is why I still give it a 2.0 rating
21 of 23 people found this review helpful.
24 Helpful / 4 Not
Danger Danger Danger
Pros: I played the Gold course for this review but the Blue has many of the same issues.
The park is beautiful and well maintained. Great Athletic Complex.
The wind made it slightly more difficult.
There are a few decent holes.(probably 5-6)
Cons: There are some MAJOR safety and conflict concerns in this park. Between playing too close to ball fields and holes alongside roads it is a SERIOUS problem.
Mandos on holes such as 3 do not mask the issue of discs flying into the outfields. Just because a Mando is put up it does not mean a player will make the mando. And if they miss some of these light pole mandos their discs will land in the outfields.
The OB's and mandos(3) along with the landing zones on holes 3, 8, and 13 and a few others are not a good combo. For the distance required to throw on these holes the landing zones are not sufficient.
Hole 8 is a poor design in my opinion. Even with the hillside clear it will be a poor hole. Once again the landing zones+distance will be insufficient.
Hole 15 gold is a plinko fairway. yes there are gaps but they are more "lucky" gaps that are not realistic to hit over and over again.
If the pros ever played here(I doubt they ever will) they would be very critical of this course.
Ok now for the Par issue. Changing the par on a hole does not make the hole harder. it's just a number. When you change a short one to a par 2 or a 500 ft hole to a par 3 you are just arbitrarily saying "My course is harder" when it's really not. 90% of the field is still going to get 2's on the par 2's and 3's on the stupidly long par 3's. These are not bad par settings, they are bad holes. The scoring separation will just never happen. A gold level player will get the same score 99% of the time.
Hole 3's gold pad is almost in the fairway of hole 2. One tree kick and someones getting hit.......although it's so close I doubt anyone will be able to throw 2 while people are on 3's pad.
But even without the ball fields this course would not be a solid layout. There are just no OMG this is awesome holes.
Other Thoughts: I have doubts that this course will survive in it's current state. It is in major conflict with the rest of the park. I asked a few patrons in the park walking and watching us what they thought of the course and they said "we think it's dangerous". Not a good thing. As a Parks and Recreation professional I was appalled with the blatant disregard for safety in the design. This course was a major overreach. I'm not even 100% sure that disc golf is viable in this park since the useable land is so spread out throughout the park and is divided by large Athletic fields and other facilities. It might could be done with some longer transitions and a major scale down of the course distance and par.
This course would never be allowed to hold a worlds and honestly is not a true Gold level course. I have played Gold level and this is not it.
I would not recommend playing this course unless you are a courses played junky. Also avoid weekends if you are going to play. Baseball and softball will be played most weekends I would imagine.
24 of 28 people found this review helpful.
20 Helpful / 4 Not
Just keep on driving...
Pros: - 18 hole course with great new baskets
- Two sets of concrete pads for each hole.
- Easy to get to
- Nice, clean town park
- Well kept and clean
- Grass was all mowed
- It is in NC
- You probably won't get shot or mugged. Nice area.
- Plenty of food and booze nearby. Which you will need after a round here.
- Far enough from my house I won't be tempted to drive back and play again.
Cons: - Not one hole that you stand on the tee and say "cool". Just no really good holes. NONE.
- Par 2s??? That's just idiotic on a non-beginner or kid's course.
- Plenty of roads, parking lots and other park users in play. Too many safety issues to list.
- Mandos used to cover up dangerous design features.
- Artificial OB in attempt to make open holes more challenging. Just really weak.
Other Thoughts: Ok, you get the idea. This is a park that probably could have a decent little beginner or intermediate level course squeezed in. With some good design work. Trying to force a "Championship" level course, whatever that means, into this park was simply a mistake. Odds are there will be enough conflicts with cars and other park users that the local park's department will eventually be tempted to simply shut it down. Cars slowed in fear as they saw our group preparing to throw in a few spots. We had to wait as cars came around a blind turn hidden by a tree.
Now, even if you are that 1200 rated player that can throw 600' wherever and whenever you want there isn't a lot of fun to be had here. No good technical holes or elevation. And on more than one hole the fairway either sucks or is possibly just a wooded version of plinko. Like the long tee at 14. 14's short tee however is really OK. Should have just left it at that. In several places the fairways and lines are just nuts. Throw in some human error or wind and you'll be drilling cars and houses or loosing a disc maybe. There are a few decent holes here, but not enough to overcome all the other issues.
Sorry for the rant and negative review, but if I was a tax payer in that town I'd be pissed I partially paid for this abomination. Obviously no one involved had a lick of common sense. Hell, I'd fire all the park's employees that let this course go in the ground.
Like I said, this course could have been an OK beginner's level course with some careful planning. It was never going to be great in that park, but it could have served a purpose to the neighboring housing developments and local players. But someone just HAD to build a big, tough course. What a shame.
IF you are one of those people that like to stop to watch the bodies hauled off after an accident, or go to your local Wally World and check out how much fat is hanging out of poor clothes choices then this is your place. It's a frightening accident scene better left to others. Just keep on driving folks.
20 of 24 people found this review helpful.
8 Helpful / 3 Not
Well I had fun
Pros: We showed up close to dusk, had the course to ourselves and finished the last three holes in the dark. We saw a woman walking two dogs, near hole four, but other than that, the park was completely empty. I threw some bombs, failed to locate the majority of the mandos and in general had a blast.
There are some really fun holes here. Two in particular is a really nice design from the blue tee. Straight and narrow and actually very aesthetically pleasing inside the tunnel of trees. The transition from that to three was also nice. Of all the long holes, three was my favorite. Partially because this was the first rip-it hole I'd played in a while(the destroyer was also glad to be out of the bag for once), but mostly because of the slightly elevated tee and the way it opens up from the trees.
My favorite hole by far was fifteen. I've always had a thing for holes that start in the trees and play out onto an open area, or holes that are mostly open but finish in dense forest. This one fits the bill. I loved throwing out of there.
The greatest feature of Springwood is not any one hole. It's variety of lengths. I've never seen a course that has such extremes. The short holes are short. The long holes are long. I liked the short holes that sat the basket behind a thick tree, giving the player opportunity to come in from either side for a chance at the basket. I also like the sheer tenacity of hole eight. That one was a journey.
Some of the lines may be intended for expert players. But with the park empty, more lines are available, and intermediate throwers may find Springwood to be a nice play.
Cons: As I said before, when I played the park was empty. If it was not empty, there are a ton of dangerous spots to throw. Roads and fields are adjacent to fairways in numerous spots. I can imagine someone with expert placement will never have a problem, but that's not me and it's probably not most of the people that will use this course.
This is a course that forces you to emphasize landing zone rather than flight path. I've played other courses that did that. It's not necessarily a bad thing. But here, the possible flight paths that will give a good landing spot include long curves over roads and parking lots. If there had been any cars in either, I would have enjoyed my game a lot less.
There are also a number of holes that I do not care for. Eleven and twelve are probably the worst offenders. I realize that a tree line could offer the same effect that the fence does in terms of constricting shots, but when it's a fence, it just feels artificial. In particular the placement on twelve is frustrating.
Sixteen and seventeen typify the road issue better than any others. Short porch basket with trees to the immediate right. There is no way that I and many other are not going to throw a forehand over the road trying for the ace on those two short holes.
Another major factor preventing this course from joining the elite is the flow. From the first basket, the second basket is closer than the second tee. From the fourth basket, the fifth basket is just across the street. I understand the various fields, roads and parking lots prevent the flow from being improved, but there is a lot of superfluous walking between holes. The gaps between sixteen and seventeen, and then seventeen and eighteen are immense. I don't mind a lengthy walk, if it's along a path that leads to a fantastic hole location. That's not what's happening here.
While this can be seen as a challenging course, almost all of the difficulty comes from length and artificial mandos and ob. The former is great when coupled with other challenging elements. The latter is just not my cup of tee.
Other Thoughts: I understand there is some controversy about this course. What it is, what it isn't and what it was supposed to be. I feel like some will find my rating overly generous. Others will think it is far too low. To me, I found Springwood to be a fun course that I liked playing a lot. At the same time, I realize that even a little bit of traffic to the park's other amenities would damage the playability of at least a few holes. I can easily imagine a scenario where the majority of the holes are unplayable. It may just remain one of those courses where you have to be careful when you play it.
8 of 11 people found this review helpful.
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