1 Helpful / 2 Not
Pros: great use of elevations and tree obstacles. Over all agree with other reviews.
Cons: Not very cart or stroller friendly.
Many of the holes with steep inclines to have good, well built steps, but no or limited room for carts/strollers.
Bridges are well designed for foot traffic but a couple I had to push my stroller over on one wheel.
-Big safety issue with creek crossing on hole 8. Deep creek cut, with no bridge, and a 2 x 6 laid in the bottom for foot crossing. Steep climb down and back up.
-Bad for foot traffic. Very difficult for cart or stroller traffic.
-Update, the Rec. Dept has installed a culvert path for this hole, making it very safe to transverse the creek.
Suggest that improvements of bridges and ramps on steep inclines be considered for cart and stroller use.
1 of 3 people found this review helpful.
Designer Response by: 1978
There is a cart friendly/not friendly toggle in the course information.
Robbins was designed when very few carts were being used. As many are aware the bridge on 8 was being repaired by the park department on March 8. The narrow foot bridge on 7 was simply placed there because people were cutting and jumping the creek. For cart users are 2 full sized bridges on 6 and a smooth path from 7 tee to them that you can use instead of the footbridge on 7. All other bridges are wide enough for any normal sized cart. Unfortunately the lay of the land does not lend to more cart friendly improvements, courses like Bailey, Sugaw, Kilborne, and Idlewild may be more your speed. Cart use or size of cart is personal preference we cannot accommodate every choice of carrying discs in all designs.
Perfect intermediate course
3 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: I admit that I didn't read any reviews before playing Robbins Park. It was on my way in between a business meeting and downtown Charlotte, where I was staying for work. I've already played Bradford, and wanted to bag the other public North Meck course. I knew from the rating and the ranking in NC's top 25 tracks that Robbins was a good course. But all of the buzz I've ever heard about Charlotte courses has been limited to the classics (Renny, Nevin, Hornets Nest, even RL Smith) and one of the newest additions, Bradford. I had not heard anything about Robbins and was basically expecting another quality, but not necessarily phenomenal, Charlotte course. Boy, was i pleasantly surprised. Robbins is outstanding. In my opinion, it's one of the very best courses, not just near Charlotte, but anywhere in the Carolinas. I'm an intermediate player. I read in the designer's review that he designed it with intermediate players in mind. I have to say he absolutely nailed it. This is the perfect intermediate course.
+ Terrific design and variety. There are so many great holes using elevation, risk/reward, ultra-fast greens, or all of the above. A creek winds its way through the course. Many of the baskets are situated near it or on hills that slope sharply down to it. This track forces a decision on putts. You'd better commit or you're rolling into the creek. And the elevation use is outstanding. Uphills, downhills, ridge holes, and valley holes. Also throw in hyzer lines, anhyzers, flicks, straight. There are short, technical holes. You'll use putters of the tee, lots of mids, and a few fairway drivers...I mean, it just has everything. Towards the end of the round, I started to think, "What am I going to mark this course down for? Maybe a lack of any open holes or any par 4's." Then I got to the back 9 and Robbins even has that. Great use of OB on the open par 4. Great mando, dogleg, wooded par 4. A few holes to really air it out. Seriously, no exaggeration, this is one of the best designs I've ever played.
+ Lots of navigation arrows, good tee box signs, easy navigation.
+ Good baskets. One that is down a hill and hard to see from the tee has a tall flag on it so you can see it. Very helpful.
+ The designer thought of everything on this course. There is fencing and even a "clown wall" protecting the tee boxes that are within range of errant shots from other holes. There's also a fence obstacle, large downed trees that they incorporated into the design. It's super creative and interesting.
+ It's a very pretty park with mature forest and nice, green grass for the open holes. It's bordered by a very nice neighborhood. If I lived in Charlotte, I'd want to live there! It's like a country club, but with a DG course instead of ball golf.
+ There is a huge range of outcomes on each hole. I was throwing 2 discs and racked up several birdies, but also several bogies. Rarely did I go birdie/birdie or bogey/bogey, but I got lots of birdie/bogeys. Lots of separation based on how you play a hole points to great design.
Cons: I struggle with any cons, so these are nitpicks. I was very close to giving this course a 5, but on second thought, there are a few very minor things:
- I played in late winter. I didn't have much of a problem with underbrush, but I can see how the summer would be rougher. There are some thorns. Also there is a decent risk of disc loss with lots of leaves and several blind tee shots. (Hard to complain about this, because I like blind tee shots!)
- Some of the tees are a little too short or narrow. One is a tee on top of an older tee, so slightly uneven.
- Probably the only legit one is it might be a little too easy for advanced players or pros. But again, it was designed for intermediate players, so I had no issues with it.
Other Thoughts: This is a must-play.
3 of 3 people found this review helpful.
Designer Response by: 1978
Thank you for the review. Tee on tee: Actually, I poured the shorter looking base later to prevent erosion around the tee and need for a semi-permanent retaining wall. We had extra concrete...looking back I might have made a different decision. Hole 17's tee become shorter when they built the ditch behind it.
4 Helpful / 0 Not
Other Thoughts: Many reviews address aspects of a course which are readily apparent to those familiar or those reading previous reviews, so this review stresses less obvious features or formal ideas, in an attempt to broaden the readers' appreciation of this course and maybe the game in general.
Robbins Park is a very thoughtful design on a site with severe constraints. I urge readers unfamiliar to call up the course map and see the site's spatial constraints. A small creek roughly bisects this slender site and large parts of the course's area are designed as floodplain for the athletic facility and adjacent subdivisions. The creek's south-side bank is heavily sloped, so it's quite a feat to merely shoehorn a course of this length, difficulty and variety onto the site, especially when considering the community's expectations. In spite of being hamstrung by constraints that might stymie other designers, this designer has acquitted himself well.
Robbins continues the east coast technical tradition of disc golf, but also relies on decision-making quite a bit more than the average iteration in this style. From the tee, most holes initially appear very straightforward, however the rash golfer is likely to be harshly penalized by charging ahead on first impressions. Take #1 for instance: given the hole's length, golfers should be immediately tempted to try a high/wide shot with plenty of fade for an 'easy' pin. Fair enough, but since the entire fairway and pin lie on a raised berm with extensive OB and lowered surrounds, maybe the better play is flat and straight with good fade control. Trade-off decisions of this nature figure largely in Robbins' design. From the tee, counter-spin deliveries are largely favored, while around the greens clock-spin deliveries are favored, which yields a unique type of shot-making balance overall. Minor elevation changes, especially around the greens, feature frequently, with all types represented. Scoring chances abound with an average hole length of about 300' from either tee set and combined with the creek coming into play on 13 holes, makes Robbins a true technician's (and skill building) course.
The site's nature creates issues at Robbins, not all of which may be ameliorated by design alone. As stated before, a large part of the site is drainage for surrounding development, which is likely to make play irksome during and after normal rain events. The creek ford on hole #8 is potentially dangerous and made more so by the fact it is the exit for most of the water going through the course (erosion). In addition, several tees required protection barriers from shots on other holes. Obviously an imperfect trade-off, this solution preserves the design's integrity at the cost of aesthetics. It is also quite bluntly practical. On crowded days or during organized events, Robbins likely is very the opposite of secluded, with frequent open sight/voice lines and a high potential for errant shots (and thus players) frequently straying into others' games.
By placing a high value on 'pure' shot-making values, Robbins Park offers solid golf for the majority of players and may engage the mind of golfer in a different way than other local offerings. Obvious site issues and a frequently 'shoehorned' feel balance the experience. However in the larger scheme of things and in most areas, this course would be a standout offering. In Charlotte, it probably won't be the most popular choice, but travelers might be in error to overlook it.
4 of 4 people found this review helpful.
Pretty fun but not as demanding as I prefer
2 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: + 18 holes, few of which are flat. Nearly every hole incorporates elevation into its design. Some notable examples are #4 which has a pin placed on a right to left slope, and #18 with the basket sitting on top of a large hill.
+ Good variety between lines. Leans a little heavy on straight shots, but it mixes in some left and right turning holes.
+ Tee signs show the line, distance, par, hole # etc. They're a bit on the small side, but they stand out so you won't miss them.
+ Multiple benches. In fact some of the benches that are out in the open even have artificial shade constructed to block the sunset.
+ Easy to navigate, no map needed for a first play through.
Cons: - Not difficult enough. Granted they don't feel like gimmies, and the course isn't quite as easy as say, Eager Beaver or Crooked Creek Crossing, but there's no real challenge here.
- Both par 4's are easy, especially the last one. It's a wide open 620' shot with no obstacles besides a few short trees you can throw over. In a tournament there are island rules in effect, but for casual play there's no risk on the tee shot. There is no strategy of "Should I bomb it and risk kicking off the fairway, or lay up for a birdie?" There's no reason to lay up here if its not a tournament.
- Lacks length. I use a driver of some sort for maybe 5 or 6 holes here, and that's primarily throwing an overstable driver on a hard hooking line, not so much for distance.
- Couple patches of pretty thick rough. Most the course does not suffer from this problem, but there are one or two spots you want to keep an eye out for. I've seen people lose them on #15, and on the right side of #2.
Other Thoughts: Robbins is a solid course. It is one I think most people would find fun to play, not too demanding but not a complete walk in the park.
For me its too easy. It offers some interesting shots, but none of the holes really stand out to me as fantastic. It's one of those courses that even though it checks a lot of the boxes, the actual golf doesn't get me terribly excited.
I will say the land was put to good use. The design flows well and incorporates everything the terrain had to offer.
Still, there's something to be said for the accessible nature of the course, and its close proximity to Bailey Road Park.
2 of 2 people found this review helpful.
Designer Response by: 1978
Thank you for the review. You'll find it interesting, maybe. In the tournament rounds played, 12 and 16 (the 2 par 4s) played among the toughest on the course. 16 (without island rules) played almost a stroke over par. The bombs you describe often enter OB early and never come back in. If you play the longs, it adds a little teeth and probably 3 strokes in scoring over the shorts in tournaments.
0 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: The elevation changes and placements of baskets is a nice contrast to most courses. Some baskets are easy to see from the tee and some are not visible at all, making for challenging and safe throws. The course plays shorter than it seems it should. Underbrush on the wooded holes is minimal. it has a good variety of wooded holes versus open grassy holes. I enjoyed the tight driving areas into the open spaces, requires accuracy and a little luck.
Cons: Holes #1,2 and 18 are basic straight fairway holes. Some of the signage could be better for basket direction, especially #17 - not sure where the basket was supposed to be, maybe it's been moved. Some of the more open holes have a nice fairway area surrounded by tall thorny growth - be careful.
Other Thoughts: The signage on the long uphill hole #12 with the right hand turn is very helpful. The barricades near the tee boxes are a nice touch. A very nice course that I drove 25 minutes to from Concord on back to back weekends.
0 of 1 people found this review helpful.
5 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Robbins is built along a low, flat strip with a small wooded hillside boring one edge and a much steeper wooded hillside along the other. There are hole that play up the hill and holes that play down it. There are holes that play along the ridge, through the trees, some of which feature a sharply slanted fairway. There are holes that play on the edge of the trees on the small hill. Along the bottom of the bigger hill is a small creek which will either be shallow or dry. This water hazard comes into play on a number of holes. Though it rarely is in position to constrict drives, it presents a danger of rollaways: once while throwing across the valley to the opposite hill and a couple times it lurks past the basket on a slope to the left. With the hills and trees and flat spaces there is quite a lot of variety here and it shapes up to be a pretty solid blue-level course on which every shot is different.
Navigational aids are top notch. In fact, there might be too many next tee arrows. It is like they were afraid that a player might be confused if there were a few seconds in which they were not being directed, even if there had been no possible other ways to go since the last sign. But obviously too many is better than too few and proofing a course for the directionally challenged is never a bad thing.
Personally, I was a big fan of 5, which starts in the trees with the creek directly in front and the basket tucked into the trees on the opposite of the open space. A great example of how the course makes even the flat spaces interesting. 8 does something similar but places the basket higher on the hill on top of a rock outcropping.
Cons: I didn't love the beginning and end. 1 is a straightforward shot along a raised pathway with thick shule to either side but no real obstacles. I do like the climb to the final basket on 18, but the fairway has that classic power corridor shape that I'm not a fan of. Other than that the course is pretty solid. It's not, "I must go back there," great but it is one that everyone should play if they are in the area. A worthy course but not a spectacular one either.
5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
1 Helpful / 1 Not
A True Gem - Plays Much Longer Than Its Distance
Pros: An excellent use of very limited space. The course plays away from other park users so the risk of drilling a jogger is extremely low. And because the overall foot print of the course is small, the risk of an errant disc braining another player is mitigated by well placed screens/barriers to protect other golfers that would be teeing off in areas where holes come in close proximity to each other. The course is very easy to navigate, as the designer has noted in other reviews, there are clear, easy-to-follow signs pointing to the next tee. But in the event weather or vandalism brings the signs down, there is a map posted in the "Files" section of the course.
This course looks like it can be played at all daylight hours, even if the gates are closed as there are several (at least 4) access points into the course from the surrounding neighborhoods. A large plus if you arrive a few minutes before the scheduled opening time and find the gates closed.
Cons: No glaring weaknesses come to mind except maybe this is NOT the best course to bring a beginner to in order to introduce one to the game. Wait! There is also a 2nd and it is on me, I am sorry it took me so long to play this course for the first time.
Other Thoughts: I don't anticipate many site users will find this review "helpful," but I had to praise Mr. Huether for such a wonderfully challenging course (now if we can only get the rest of us to take proper care of it . . .). This course seems to offer challenges for every skill level.
This course is all about hitting your lines and placement, placement, and did I mention, placement of one's throw. Though the overall length of most of the holes is short, don't let that fool you. A few inches either side of your line could mean plunking a tree, falling into the omnipresent creek bed, or sliding several feet away from the basket on the very fast & sloping greens. But at the same time, if you make your shots and have a little luck on your side, you can score very well.
The use of available elevation in the park is well thought out. Most of the elevation changes feed into that blasted and annoying creek bed that is in play for all but 5 holes. Even the most well-placed drives and approaches can skip or roll away a great distance on many of the holes, leaving a very tough, uphill putt to make birdie or save par.
Anyway, this course is highly rated by this user. I will definitely be back again in the future to take some more lumps. Hope to see y'all there.
1 of 2 people found this review helpful.
2 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: I have been playing this course since it opened. Each time I go it gets better. At first this course had tons of crap around the holes and was not very appealing to the eye. Now much of the brush has been cleared and good trails have been cut out.
The baskets are great.
Great use of land.
Every hole is different, there are no holes that you feel are the exact same.
You must have a number of shots to do well on the course, BH, FH, I even use a couple tomahawks.
Such a fun course.
Cons: No signage.
Not hard to navigate though, but still would be nice to have more signage on the holes.
Need more trashcans on the course.
A lot of holes still do have piles of brush and vines and thick stuff that makes it difficult to retrieve a disc that goes in there.
Seen 2 snakes this week, so watch out!
Hole 12 is awful. It requires an uphill shot that must be placed perfectly to even have a chance on taking another shot at the basket for a birdie. I normally just play from the top of the hill. Wish there were another pad at the top of the hill.
Other Thoughts: This course can really be played with just fairways and mids.
If you make your shots you can shoot under very easily. If you mess up you can shoot very poorly.
Great course, it will only keep getting better.
2 of 2 people found this review helpful.
Designer Response by: 1978
Thank you for the review.
There are trash cans on all but 2!!!!! tees. Sometimes they are by the long pad, but one should be able to find them if one cares to. There are at least 1 and many times 2-3 yellow arrows per hole directly visible from the basket that direct people where to go. If attention is paid and people do not blindly wander there should be no directional concerns. For example: You can see the arrow to the right of the basket. Every hole is marked in this fashion. <a href="http://www.dgcoursereview.com...29fd3020.jpg
Hole 12 will not change, 2 trees taken out recently leave a 40' diameter landing zone less than 200' from the tee, 260' from the basket. It is the designers philosophy that a few times in a round a birdie should be had from a couple of great shots. They should not just be handed out.
At the time of this review every hole had a hand laminated sign, however currently every tee has a permanent tee sign, those were just installed.
5 Helpful / 0 Not
Not Robbins You of a Good Time
Pros: Might be one of the best blue level courses I've played. Terrific attention to detail and use of the land, great balance of holes and a nice, quiet round of golf. To give you an idea of what the course looks like, it's basically an open valley, then a wooded slope rising from a creek followed up top by another flat with open grass dotted by mature trees. It's a unique bit of property for a course and the layout really makes the best of what's available, right down to hole 18 ending right next to hole 1's tee and the parking lot, awesome.
As the golf goes, there isn't one particularly hole that blows you away with uniqueness or challenge but every hole looks or feels different enough to avoid being repetitive and I used more discs than I thought I would. The balance and variety of fairway shapes is really good in that you're not just playing valley holes or field holes or technical woods holes over and over. If you detest trees you'd say that the course is about 3/4 wooded but really it's closer to being slightly more wooded than open due to holes that play in and out of woods but not necessarily through them.
Distances are just about perfect for my Intermediate arm. You can probably score just as well without drivers but they're worth toting because of the occasional open hole or holes with slightly low ceilings. I really like how most of the holes didn't strongly favor a place your shots approach or a go for it approach, that balance word again.
Not the most pastoral and scenic of courses but far from being an ugly, urban type park setting either. The woods are beautiful, the creek is nice and I saw baby rabbits if that tells you anything. What's really remarkable is how mature and worn-in the course is, it feels like it's been here for years already.
One huge thing that I factor in that most (criminally) don't is how proactive the course is designed in regards to preventing erosion and other human-caused activities. Trails are on point, steps are cut into slopes to preserve the fairway, walls are made already to preserve greens and fairways, etc. Phenomenal. Then other things like benches, a pole on a hidden basket and necessary nets/walls to protect tees boost the enjoyment. Charlotte standard concrete tees of course, well located and easy enough to spot.
Cons: Briers were not a big deal except for the right side of hole 1. I don't imagine they'll be as formidable the next time I get down there and currently they're easy enough to avoid if you don't mind going OB on the left or hit the landing zone past the basket.
The only real con is a lack of permanent tee signs. On a busy day some players might run into each other in certain spots, maybe.
Hole 15 might be a little NAGS from the longs but if I sacked up and went for it instead of worrying about missing the fairway I might feel otherwise.
Other Thoughts: Hole 1 is a tough way to start but a very interesting hole with its narrow fairway of OB left and thick rough to the right, both flanks being downhill. The landing zone really makes that hole work. Hole 16 is fantastic, I wish every open hole had that much shape and placement to it instead of just strong arming hyzers repeatedly. Like I said, none of the holes really stand out by themselves but so many holes reminded me of favorite holes from other courses, it's like a band doing good covers of other bands.
I usually underrate courses but I might overrate this one as I play it over time because I can't emphasize enough how appreciative I am of Huether's attention to detail in terms of design and preserving the course. Such a welcome change of pace to the courses put into my area where guys don't understand that water flows downhill and soil compacts when people repeatedly walk over it.
This is a must-play for golfers in this area and a timely, fun play-through for course baggers cramming in Charlotte's goodness on a road trip.
5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
Designer Response by: 1978
Thanks for the review...baby rabbits but not baby dogs like in the pictures. Odd! Permanent signs are printing this week and will be installed within the next 2.
3 Helpful / 4 Not
Nice, repetitive, simple
Pros: This is a great beginners course. Simple, repetitive and predictable.
Cons: Repetitive, almost a bit boring by hole 12. This is a course that would be great in other parts of the nation but in Charlotte it is the lesser quality course in relation to the others around it.
Other Thoughts: The course uses what is available to it but a 3.0 meaning "good" is about as good as its going to get here.
3 of 7 people found this review helpful.
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