419's OG form circa 2009-2012 to Present day 2.0 Form

These are the video clips that I sent to Sidewinder last year when I returned to throwing, but for disc dog competitions.
I had to rebuild my form for true Hyzer form to be able to throw those light weight K9 discs that weigh 110g / 120g / 130g. ( the ones we use )

This was just x amount months in since we got involved in disc dog, and I made the decision for now to build my form back up to become one of the best long distance teams in disc dog. The thought of competing again, and doing it with my best friend as my teammate!

I had been focusing too much on my career, wasn't active other than lifting heavy weights during this time period. It was hard to accept I lost a step athletically due to sedentary desk job with long hours, but once I did, I knew I had to get work training yet be patient with my body.

I had put on more muscle mass than I wanted during this time, and with it comes some fat as well since I was not managing my macros to the extent I normally do, just lifting heavy, and no cardio / sports. First time in my life that I was not active in playing sports like basketball/ disc golf or doing cardio like sprints or HIIT.
I probably got up to over 255-260lbs during this time of the video , did not feel my best. Ideally, with competing in disc sports in mind, current composition, personal preference- I would like to be around a lean 215-225lbs by spring. Currently I am around 235-240lbs.
In my OG form, with my training and diet modified for disc golf then, I was probably about 210-220 lbs . I was about 235-245lbs of more mass when I fist started disc golf before I modified my regime for the sport.

So hopefully that paints a picture with some insight of past -present .

 
Curious what others see in the video from beginning of chapter 1 of the return to throwing above as far as issues.

My video call with Sidewinder reveled I was spending too long on the rear foot/ leg using an x step which I did not previously, weight shift could be more optimal due to how I came off the rear leg, then the lean in the backswing.
It was exactly what I needed, and gave me the curiosity to explore and self-organized study of the foot / leg in both drive phase and plant phase to get where I am now.
 
1. By my calculations - if i were build like the Hulk, like you, i could probably throw 500 too.. just kidding, that old video of you is amazing, seemed like you barely tried and they had some zip to em.

2. What's the backwards run-up you keep talking about?

Really good stuff man!
 
1. By my calculations - if i were build like the Hulk, like you, i could probably throw 500 too.. just kidding, that old video of you is amazing, seemed like you barely tried and they had some zip to em.

2. What's the backwards run-up you keep talking about?

Really good stuff man!

Haha, you probably sit low 600s for sure! No, but thanks, yeah I always think things need to look like poetry in motion, graceful, or not effortful.

Backwards walk up, I literally start 180 back to target, walking up backwards with arm extended out behind you. This was meant to be to teach a few main points like shifting from behind, getting that right shoulder extended in backswing for example.
 
For reference with Disc Dog and Disc Golf distance equivalents: Throwing and connecting on 100 + yard catch ( not wind aided ) would be like in disc golf throwing 500 ft of golf distance ( not wind aided ).
 
Some og still-capture images that I was able to find via FB.
I have an old laptop that needs repaired so that I can procure some og video footage and pics that are on it that I need to get my paws on.

Prize/reward if you can some how guess what disc I am either throwing or holding in off-hand.
Speaking of off-hand/arm, I have always held a towel in my off hand during throws, and I am not sure where that came from. Its convenient in DD b/c I can wipe off slobber off the disc. lol
 

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Well said !

Everything is mobility related.

We keep trying to teach one size fits all all the time, and we need to stop.

We have key poitns we all have to hit, but mobility might stop someone from loading their hips the "normal" way, and we have to find ways around it.
But then that leads to other mobility issues.

Brychanus has been dealing with this, cause he has .. i think its a lower calf mobility issue in one leg?
You had to make some adjustments for it, right @Brychanus ?
 
Everything is mobility related.

We keep trying to teach one size fits all all the time, and we need to stop.

We have key poitns we all have to hit, but mobility might stop someone from loading their hips the "normal" way, and we have to find ways around it.
But then that leads to other mobility issues.

Brychanus has been dealing with this, cause he has .. i think its a lower calf mobility issue in one leg?
You had to make some adjustments for it, right @Brychanus ?
Left shin bone is pretty dorked from a childhood injury. So that leg has required a lot of specific rehab and caused a lot of form headaches because it physically affected my gait and recently I figured out it specifically stops me from doing a couple mechanics with SW's new bucket drill. Now that I understand what I can/can't do better, I'm learning how to account for it and adapt.
 
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Left shin bone is pretty dorked from a childhood injury. So that leg has required a lot of specific rehab and caused a lot of form headaches because it physically affected my gait and recently I figured out it specifically stops me from doing a couple mechanics with SW's newbucket drill. Now that I understand what I can/can't do better, I'm learning how to account for it and adapt.

What type of movement / action does your rear leg struggle with or is less than optimal ?
IR or ER action - load/ unload for example?
I lnow you have mentioned many times, but idk why I can't recall other than thinking it might be variable change ( varies based on the big dynamic picture ) ?
 
What type of movement / action does your rear leg struggle with or is less than optimal ?
IR or ER action - load/ unload for example?
I lnow you have mentioned many times, but idk why I can't recall other than thinking it might be variable change ( varies based on the big dynamic picture ) ?
It's a failing leverage problem during the IR phase/loading in the backswing. Leg literally fails to anchor the backswing pendulum style/provide leverage - the slant and shortening of the shinbone causes a busted figure 8 on rear side in that move (and my walking gait) like I mentioned in the links above. I've known about this for a while but the bucket drill gave me a much more specific feel for where it was going wrong.

However, windmill helps tremendously and in that sense related to the big dynamic picture for sure. Since the move is all in one direction and puts much less leverage against the weakest direction of the shin bone during the backswing/is now more aligned with the strongest, I can get on the rear leg and off it with a lot more control either more horizontal or vertical. It's always a little gimpier on my left side like when I walk but way more like one continuous move now. I spend less time trying to micromanage or panicking in the backswing. Closer to natural locomotion pattern etc.

It literally feels more like "rolling with the punches" now and much less like I'm fighting my own body/brain for control.
 
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It's a failing leverage problem during the IR phase/loading in the backswing. Leg literally fails to anchor the backswing pendulum style/provide leverage - the slant and shortening of the shinbone causes a busted figure 8 on rear side in that move (and my walking gait) like I mentioned in the links above. I've known about this for a while but the bucket drill gave me a much more specific feel for where it was going wrong.

However, windmill helps tremendously and in that sense related to the big dynamic picture for sure. Since the move is all in one direction and puts much less leverage against the weakest direction of the shin bone during the backswing/is now more aligned with the strongest, I can get on the rear leg and off it with a lot more control either more horizontal or vertical. It's always a little gimpier on my left side like when I walk but way more like one continuous move now. I spend less time trying to micromanage or panicking in the backswing. Closer to natural locomotion pattern etc.

It literally feels more like "rolling with the punches" now and much less like I'm fighting my own body/brain for control.

Makes total sense. I just wanted to be sure I understood it right.
 
Curious what others see in the video from beginning of chapter 1 of the return to throwing above as far as issues.

My video call with Sidewinder reveled I was spending too long on the rear foot/ leg using an x step which I did not previously, weight shift could be more optimal due to how I came off the rear leg, then the lean in the backswing.
It was exactly what I needed, and gave me the curiosity to explore and self-organized study of the foot / leg in both drive phase and plant phase to get where I am now.
Your arm is already extended while you are still completing the weight shift as you can see from the disc already drifting to the left while you still have weight on the drive foot. My guess that is because you already out of balance and tipped back in this frame. Hershyzer would probably help here to get more of your weight above the left foot at this point.

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On the plus side, in your OG form you seem to try to lay your head on your right shoulder which looks quite uncomfortable and it looks like you got rid of that.

And it is evident you get some really good power into your discs as you start bracing slightly after the peak of your backswing and just wham the disc out.
Prize/reward if you can some how guess what disc I am either throwing or holding in off-hand.
Star Destroyer, every bomber wants to throw a Star Destroyer.
Either way most mortals will look at your first video and want to achieve similar results despite any nitpicks with your move, I reckon ;-)
This tracks :D

Just edited this as i switched up drive and plant foot again
 
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Your arm is already extended while you are still completing the weight shift as you can see from the disc already drifting to the left while you still have weight on the drive foot. My guess that is because you already out of balance and tipped back in this frame. Hershyzer would probably help here to get more of your weight above the left foot at this point.

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On the plus side, in your OG form you seem to try to lay your head on your right shoulder which looks quite uncomfortable and it looks like you got rid of that.

And it is evident you get some really good power into your discs as you start bracing slightly after the peak of your backswing and just wham the disc out.

Star Destroyer, every bomber wants to throw a Star Destroyer.

This tracks :D

Just edited this as i switched up drive and plant foot again

Your spot on in that video/image of the video I sent Sidewinder when I first got back to throwing. He pointed those issues - regarding back leg time, and the lean in the backswing.
When I first got back to throwing, using a walk-up / x-step did not feel natural since I did not use traditional one during my og form.
During this time as well, I was also getting more distance from stand-still/ 1 Step than I was with the x-step at this time.

Regarding the arm being extended while shifting, I understand what you mean, but like w/og form when everything is in place I have never noticed a big difference at all actually. I do know in that video clip, I am def starting my downswing a tad too soon, a lot of that was due to not yet understanding that light weight of a discs, and having to mentally make arm even heavier in my mind and delay the downswing.
But for me, normal circumstances when things are efficient and optimal - what might look like my arm all the way extended, is just loose and passively behind me if that makes sense, but when the plant foot plants down, that is when I am extending my shoulder/arm out more stretching the tendons before it is forced into the downswing. Hopefully, that makes sense.

Regarding the Destroyer comment are talking about that picture from the video I shared with Sidewinder of the pictures of og form I shared?
The disc in the picture from that video clip, that one is a Hero Halo Super Star 235, in that video. I was throwing those and Taffy ( star) Super Sonics 215 as well.

I was not throwing a Destroyer, did not actually bag a Destroyer at all.
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I am throwing and holding same disc in my off hand - Discraft Z Talons

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I am throwing a Discraft X Predator and holding one of my many Z Talons in my off-hand.

During that time, my preferred Distance Drivers were Z/ESP Nukes and Z/Esp Force. For distance comps it was an X Nuke.
Loved how the X Predator broke into a longer TeeBird like flight, but due to them being OOP and harder to find, I think The Discmania PD took that slot after I lost my really seasoned perfect beat in Z Predator.
The only other person I knew that used Z Talons like I did was Geoff Bennent.
 
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When I first got back to throwing golf discs again after rebuilding my hyzer form in disc dog, the issue that I had initially which I caught right away was posture issue.
I was so used to always throwing with a dynamic Posture and hip hinge that set me up for at least 30-45 degree hyzer, I realized what I was doing soon enough. Then it just came down to reps and training, and helping the body make the associations it needed depending what type of disc was in my hand.
 
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