Can anyone throw 500'?

Pianists get injured at rates of about 70%, so it's curious that weightlifters are immune. <g>

I thought this presentation was interesting, especially since he talks a lot about progression:

I am only partway though this but it's very interesting. I like how he's talking about the distinction between torque in the lower leg against the ground (cause) vs. the symptom (valgus knees), which I didn't really think about very closely before. His demonstration just showing 5 people side by side catching things in real time is pretty cool. Can't wait to see the rest :)
 
I'll check out Salidino too & thank you for continuing to interact about all this, I personally appreciate it. Writing about this publicly makes me feel a little more accountable too lmao
The TL;DR on Salidino is this - the early 70s/80s era athletes/bodybuilding community was absolutely right about animal proteins and meat being the healthiest food on the planet and what should be the foundation of your diet, but they went too extreme with the keto/zero carb recommendations because, as it turns out, athletes/humans really do run best on carbohydrates, but we need to get them from better sources, i.e. fruit.

His take is that the food pyramid is a scam, most of the dietary recommendations that the government institutions have been putting out over the last 3 decades are vastly ignorant and compromised by big food, greed, pharma and conflicting interests looking to make money. The entire foundation of the pyramid (grains) are actually problematic for humans to consume and should be used sparingly. Swap that out for meat. Fruit, honey, maple syrup, dairy, and a small amount of vegetables should be your carbohydrate sources. Stay away from seed oils, processed food, excessive grains. Prioritize meat (any kind) & fruit (any kind).

That's a summary, but I'd advise to check his channel out. I'm n=1 but my anecdotal experience is that it's been the best diet I've ever tried.
 
The TL;DR on Salidino is this - the early 70s/80s era athletes/bodybuilding community was absolutely right about animal proteins and meat being the healthiest food on the planet and what should be the foundation of your diet, but they went too extreme with the keto/zero carb recommendations because, as it turns out, athletes/humans really do run best on carbohydrates, but we need to get them from better sources, i.e. fruit.

His take is that the food pyramid is a scam, most of the dietary recommendations that the government institutions have been putting out over the last 3 decades are vastly ignorant and compromised by big food, greed, pharma and conflicting interests looking to make money. The entire foundation of the pyramid (grains) are actually problematic for humans to consume and should be used sparingly. Swap that out for meat. Fruit, honey, maple syrup, dairy, and a small amount of vegetables should be your carbohydrate sources. Stay away from seed oils, processed food, excessive grains. Prioritize meat (any kind) & fruit (any kind).

That's a summary, but I'd advise to check his channel out. I'm n=1 but my anecdotal experience is that it's been the best diet I've ever tried.

Grains, at least in the united states, have been hyjacked as well. Which we have this war on grains and gluten here in the states, but its not really an issue anywhere else.

The differences is we "enrich" all our flour here by adding a manmade vitamin to it. This is not allowed in other countries. And we have bread problems here with what it does to us...

Thousands and thousands of years cultures around the world have found agriculture and made bread eating it as a staple meal. Suddenly everyone is like "gluten and bread is bad."
But this is only in the US.
This isn't a europe or other places problem. Because they dont allow you to modify the flour.

The food pyramid overall is kind of a joke, but I get what they were trying to do, simplification of diet. However, there are things we need. Cholesterol. ... Always this war on this. Uhh, the fucking brain LIVES on this.
Carbs, and good carbs as mentioned.

Our body needs good levels of glucose to feed itself and good levels of cholesterol to run itself.
The brain will literally eat the rest of the body to stay alive.
The muscles in our body when they run out of sugar start eating themselves. The lean muscle groups go first. Yes, they will repair themselves, but we need to feed them.
No, you wont burn fat not eating, you burn muscle. hahaha

When the body is running properly and good on a daily routine being fed and worked, it will use the fat stores and start converting it into useful things or get rid of it.

But then, what I'm really curious about is the abundance of fat and bad tissue that's from seed oils, and how the body looks and sees those. Or if there is a difference.
Because people who had really bad seed oil intake and are overweight really seem to struggle to drop the pounds. And I wonder if its damaged cells and systems from it, or just that the fat that was made is waste, or damaged.
 
Nice, looking at this at next opportunity, thanks.

Wait, do pianists really get injured that often?

Oh yes. But the studies are from students in piano performance degree programs at universities or conservatories. So they are young but spend many hours sitting doing small repetitive motions every day. Four hours per day is probably minimum and pushing through pain is expected. And when you go sleep, someone else is still up, practicing to get your spot. Upwards of 75% of college students report injuries severe enough to interfere with playing or activities of daily living (sleeping, brushing teeth, etc.)
 
The TL;DR on Salidino is this - the early 70s/80s era athletes/bodybuilding community was absolutely right about animal proteins and meat being the healthiest food on the planet and what should be the foundation of your diet, but they went too extreme with the keto/zero carb recommendations because, as it turns out, athletes/humans really do run best on carbohydrates, but we need to get them from better sources, i.e. fruit.

His take is that the food pyramid is a scam, most of the dietary recommendations that the government institutions have been putting out over the last 3 decades are vastly ignorant and compromised by big food, greed, pharma and conflicting interests looking to make money. The entire foundation of the pyramid (grains) are actually problematic for humans to consume and should be used sparingly. Swap that out for meat. Fruit, honey, maple syrup, dairy, and a small amount of vegetables should be your carbohydrate sources. Stay away from seed oils, processed food, excessive grains. Prioritize meat (any kind) & fruit (any kind).

That's a summary, but I'd advise to check his channel out. I'm n=1 but my anecdotal experience is that it's been the best diet I've ever tried.
You've definitely got my interest piqued. Looks like he specialized in psychiatry and functional medicine & I would be initially cautious about that, but on the other hand it's not like I think governmental oversight agencies are saintly. I'll take the dive and see!

Grains, at least in the united states, have been hyjacked as well. Which we have this war on grains and gluten here in the states, but its not really an issue anywhere else. The differences is we "enrich" all our flour here by adding a manmade vitamin to it. This is not allowed in other countries. And we have bread problems here with what it does to us...
My memory is too poor to remember it all offhand, but I am often alarmed to learn what is permitted to be done to foods here that is much more strictly regulated or considered bad enough to be illegal in many European countries.

Oh yes. But the studies are from students in piano performance degree programs at universities or conservatories. So they are young but spend many hours sitting doing small repetitive motions every day. Four hours per day is probably minimum and pushing through pain is expected. And when you go sleep, someone else is still up, practicing to get your spot. Upwards of 75% of college students report injuries severe enough to interfere with playing or activities of daily living (sleeping, brushing teeth, etc.)
I mean even just a half day typing can get you, so I can't imagine how it must feel to spend that many hours with the hands in those postures moving that quickly over and over competitively. Yikes.
 
I mean even just a half day typing can get you, so I can't imagine how it must feel to spend that many hours with the hands in those postures moving that quickly over and over competitively. Yikes.
I see a lot of right hand index and middle finger injuries from repetitive motion trauma, mostly from excessive mousing all day long (right and left clicking and dragging). I've been seeing this most of my career so much that 10 years ago, I decided to start mousing left handed. Just shoved the mouse and pad over to the left side, forced myself and now that's the only way I do it.

If you're on a computer all day or even a portion of it using a mouse, I'd highly suggest you do the same, at least you can offload that portion. It also frees up your right hand to do other things, like using the 10 key number pad (which I use a lot). I can mouse and number key at the same time which, in my field, is extremely useful.
 
Like HyzerRoc said I do think those tap a lot of the chain used in basic locomotion and would encompass the chain that activates when you plant and brace, and they are especially challenging since they recruit balance and stabilizers through the entire range. I can do assisted pistol squats but not freestanding.

I'd not be surprised if elite DGers can do them better than the average hobbyist or learn to do them more quickly, but I also would love to see that experiment. My guess is unless they're already doing them routinely its unlikely they have a pristine full-range move.

I can drop both hands flat on the floor, just a bit rustier than when I was younger and a little tighter in the hammies. Body type might contribute, but I also did work on it a lot IIRC for martial arts.

Your PT hammy recs sound consistent with mine. One other thing mine added was ones one with the heel on a step on the staircase, maybe just one or two up at first, and relax into it so the hammies stretch out. That helped seem to get some of the little muscles around the hip sockets a bit looser too, which I had trouble with even when the hammies were getting loose again (obv. recommend to anyone to defer to the professionals there).


Yeah could be.

Just some more to chew on: I also am reminded by this that any heuristic at the top is filtered through a long chain of development we don't see. As sidewinder likes to point out there are a lot of body types, so even if a given set of heuristics from pros are desirable mileage may vary. I can do a wider stance standstill, but it still feels more comfortable if I start more narrow and stride into it. I think my xstep still tends to be on the more vertical/narrow side, but I'm also not often throwing at full power. I just tested it and I can freely move into that "half-height" stance range once I'm loose, but that definitely feels like the range I'm trying to cue up a big move and already would be carrying momentum. If I started in that stance I think I'd have trouble getting the force and my body mass fully into the shot (I also have a drive leg abnormality so that may not help).


Yes, I can, but this is also one where it would have been impossible or very uncomfortable a few months ago. I'd have to look but maybe Matty's hips are less ER than yours (edit: he looks neutral to slightly IR to me); my hips are slightly asymmetric but neutral-ish.

I can't find it right now but a woman had a workout video talking about how little kids constantly like to move around in those squatty positions and kind of shift and waddle around. They can like of hang out like Matty indefinitely with their legs more or less internally or externally rotated in "athletic" stance. So I started doing that when playing with my girls on the floor sometimes. Kind of silly but I think that helped a lot and I can hang out there comfortably for a while now. If I ever feel inflammation around the hips I also like to do those just to loosen everything up a bit. When I warm up to workout or throw I try to remember to drop into that for just a couple bobs to get loose.

Just don't force the knees "in" if you try it- it's more like an athletic stance a catcher takes where the foot pressure is closer to the insteps, but it should never feel like it is like shearing or putting diagonal stress on the knee. Took a bit for my legs to be able to support my weight in that RoM but I never really felt like I was making my already sensitive knees uncomfortable.


Yw- always remember to "swing thru" the target with the legs too. I'll tinker with the variants your PT mentioned because those sound interesting.

The second kick there is big for lateral mobility, but yes you also noticed the second key idea that it tends to get some of that "north south" action of the chain including spine and pelvis like those SE drills. You can start by mostly isolating the hip sockets down, then let the whole body swing the leg. Should feel like you use the ground to help, but then the whole body gets into a good pump. That RoM plus the full body mechanic and ground leverage gets smaller in DG form but was the "secret" to a high power sidekick when I was learning. I still like to share the time a girl maybe 100lbs less than me put my squarely on my ass with a shuffle sidekick- she was trained the same way. Once you understand this (in your body) the debates about RoM in the pelvis or a "stop" brace vs. a "carry through" brace become less confusing. They're ideally integrated as one move (imo).


Yeah, I guess I don't have enough expertise to have a strong opinion- I just learn as I read from academic literature, which I can evaluate with my general research expertise, but not domain-specific expertise. I felt more comfortable doing/sharing much of what we're talking about in the last few posts after talking to merela and finding that it only enhanced my DG (and overall function). Then my physician reinforced my own read that a lot of the literature is challenging because so many effects are small in underpowered studies, but overall "use it or lose it" and "if it hurts, dio something else" still apply. Would always suggest people also consult with drs.




This looks awesome, and just in time for the holidays. Thanks for sharing!
Pistol squats are horrible lmao. I wouldn't know the percentages of an average person being able to do it, but I sincerely doubt it's more than.. let's say 5 percent? Even lower ? The lack of frontal plane/sagittal plane stability really shows for me when doing it. I can "normal" squat with meh weight, ass to grass, but a deep pistol squat is impossible. I can't barely bend my knee to 90 degrees. Deadlifting is way more easy for me somehow

I was born with messed up knees and the "experts" doubted that I would ever walk "normally". Somehow I overcame it played different sports on a very high level. My knee issues did fuck up my quads though, and they're way underdeveloped, specially just above the knees (can't remember the name).

One thing i think many neglect, specially when we get older, is the focus on flexibility. I had lower back issues for 10 years at least, been to 500 different PT's and noone have brought "instant" relief.. that's until I tried "hip opening yoga", boom, 80% less pain in 10 minutes and I can keep it at bay doing 6 different stretches, 3 times a week.

This is meant with all the respect in the world, but.. no lies, 90/95% of the people I play with is fairly athletic people, around 6 foot, normal sized people, I'm not sure if it's the same deal in the US? It's not like we all are in super shape, running marathons and lifting weights all the time, but most of us is pretty active on daily basis (sports, physical demanding jobs, gyms, etc). How's the general physical shape of the average DG player in the US? (Please don't kill me.. I'm just a stupid Scandinavian, with poor English and knowledge of the US..)

Really interesting thread btw, and geeky..

I'm nearly back to where I can start to do very light lifting again, after 3 years of injury..
 
I see a lot of right hand index and middle finger injuries from repetitive motion trauma, mostly from excessive mousing all day long (right and left clicking and dragging). I've been seeing this most of my career so much that 10 years ago, I decided to start mousing left handed. Just shoved the mouse and pad over to the left side, forced myself and now that's the only way I do it.

If you're on a computer all day or even a portion of it using a mouse, I'd highly suggest you do the same, at least you can offload that portion. It also frees up your right hand to do other things, like using the 10 key number pad (which I use a lot). I can mouse and number key at the same time which, in my field, is extremely useful.
If I ever get into a role with less spreadsheet work, I'm gonna try that. My right wrist is all messed up from doing stupid things on a bmx bike as a kid. Changing up the repetitive motions at work sounds promising.

Office work related tangent->
Keyboard shortcuts will be the death of my hands/wrists eventually. I spend a good amount of time updating and manipulating spreadsheets and developed a technique to operate the enter key at the lower right of the keyboard with the thumb on my right (mouse) hand while keeping the left parked over the common keyboard shortcuts. Updating the financial statements requires a ton of copy, paste, special (values) and that technique has helped me so much during crunch time.

We have software that will update the balance sheet and income statement automatically, but it takes almost 45 minutes to run. I can do it manually in about 15 minutes.
 
My memory is too poor to remember it all offhand, but I am often alarmed to learn what is permitted to be done to foods here that is much more strictly regulated or considered bad enough to be illegal in many European countries.

Definitely off topic thing in here, but this is really a fascinating topic overall to me with food regulation. It unfortunately comes down to money/politics as well.

But the skinny from my understanding of it is our FDA here measures "risk levels" by if 1 dose will kill/hurt you. So, things like cyanocobalamin, which is an artificial form of vitamin b which is made from cyanide... it's deemed safe. Because even if you're getting cyanide every time you take it, when they measured, that 1 dose is not fatal.... but we don't use things 1 time. we use the daily.

Then of course the annoying part of all of these conversations when people get curious and start looking then call you a loony. "the research I did says its perfectly fine. The FDA says there is nothing wrong with it." or some crap like that. Then of course there are paid articles out there to make sure when you research this stuff you find "oh those people are just nutjobs, dont listen to them, listen to big pharma, we got your back yo."

Point being, artificial anything should be avoided at all costs.
Artificially modifying things, like enriching flour, shouldn't be a thing.

Our lives are being destroyed by seed oils. If you even take the time to learn how they make seed oils and the chemicals they use to make them, that alone should steer you away from using them alone. But, they are un natural and quite linked to cancer and obesity.
We can actually see so many correlations with the mainstreaming of these seed oils and health. Correlation of course isn't causation, but... we didn't have these problems pre-seed oil. And a lot of other things we eat and ingest.
And seed oils are basically just a chemically washed byproduct made to look pretty for you.

If we wanna take this back to anything.
Be healthy, avoid all these preserved foods, fake this and crap that.
Artificial sweetner. What was it.. Aspertame. One of the key ingredients in it turns into formaldehyde at something like.. 86 degrees? hahaha

Wanna throw 500, be healthy, so you can live longer. Feed your body good.
 
I can't use the vast majority of mice or trackpads for more than a couple minutes without pain.

Getting a Roller Mouse was probably one the best purchases I've made. It takes a little bit to get used to it and is expensive but worth it.
 
I can't use the vast majority of mice or trackpads for more than a couple minutes without pain.

Getting a Roller Mouse was probably one the best purchases I've made. It takes a little bit to get used to it and is expensive but worth it.

Excuse me as I go get the holy water to throw at you. =)
 
Not surprised pianists always get injured. There's a minimum amount to mash on the keys to get any sound at all and it's not insignificant. Probably worse on a grand than a cheap upright, too. One reason I played organ a bit growing up (the other, way more sounds available).
 
I see a lot of right hand index and middle finger injuries from repetitive motion trauma, mostly from excessive mousing all day long (right and left clicking and dragging). I've been seeing this most of my career so much that 10 years ago, I decided to start mousing left handed. Just shoved the mouse and pad over to the left side, forced myself and now that's the only way I do it.

If you're on a computer all day or even a portion of it using a mouse, I'd highly suggest you do the same, at least you can offload that portion. It also frees up your right hand to do other things, like using the 10 key number pad (which I use a lot). I can mouse and number key at the same time which, in my field, is extremely useful.
This is a serious commitment. If left is your nondominant hand otherwise this makes a lot of sense!

I too have a roller mouse and it was totally worth it.

Pistol squats are horrible lmao. I wouldn't know the percentages of an average person being able to do it, but I sincerely doubt it's more than.. let's say 5 percent? Even lower ? The lack of frontal plane/sagittal plane stability really shows for me when doing it. I can "normal" squat with meh weight, ass to grass, but a deep pistol squat is impossible. I can't barely bend my knee to 90 degrees. Deadlifting is way more easy for me somehow
I'm having trouble finding hard data but fitness people seem to be guessing in the <5% range. And definitely wouldn't mean to say "everyone needs to pistol squat to improve at DG" - deep pistols are an extreme move and you still get some stabilizing benefits if you can't do the full RoM. On the other hand you can do various other moves that get you the stabilizing and strength separately, which is more common.

I was born with messed up knees and the "experts" doubted that I would ever walk "normally". Somehow I overcame it played different sports on a very high level. My knee issues did fuck up my quads though, and they're way underdeveloped, specially just above the knees (can't remember the name).
Sorry to hear about these struggles. The part of the quadriceps head just above the knees is part of what is heavily recruited in a full pistol squat, but also in the lowest portion of a traditional weighted or unweighted squat. Some people do bottom half traditional or sumo squats to get at that - most people can benefit doing them unweighted (assuming you don't have a limitations/consult Dr. etc).

One thing i think many neglect, specially when we get older, is the focus on flexibility. I had lower back issues for 10 years at least, been to 500 different PT's and noone have brought "instant" relief.. that's until I tried "hip opening yoga", boom, 80% less pain in 10 minutes and I can keep it at bay doing 6 different stretches, 3 times a week.
I too have been surprised to sometimes encounter just one change in my physical routine that helps immensely. Glad you found this.
This is meant with all the respect in the world, but.. no lies, 90/95% of the people I play with is fairly athletic people, around 6 foot, normal sized people, I'm not sure if it's the same deal in the US? It's not like we all are in super shape, running marathons and lifting weights all the time, but most of us is pretty active on daily basis (sports, physical demanding jobs, gyms, etc). How's the general physical shape of the average DG player in the US? (Please don't kill me.. I'm just a stupid Scandinavian, with poor English and knowledge of the US..)
If you mean true average player, based on a casual eye test of courses I've played, I'd say "somewhat but not much better than the average of the US population." They probably are more active overall just by the observation that they're also getting out to DG, but the US takes a lower number of daily steps than many other industrialized nations and falls well short of most guidelines (less than 25% of US adults meet them).

Here's the % obese as of 2022. Much of the world is gaining weight, but the US still is right at the front (back?) of that pack:
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Really interesting thread btw, and geeky..

I'm nearly back to where I can start to do very light lifting again, after 3 years of injury..
Slow & steady bruvva. I'm enjoying my new plyos but I also don't need to be blowing out an Achilles any time soon. One step at a time.
Office work related tangent->
Keyboard shortcuts will be the death of my hands/wrists eventually. I spend a good amount of time updating and manipulating spreadsheets and developed a technique to operate the enter key at the lower right of the keyboard with the thumb on my right (mouse) hand while keeping the left parked over the common keyboard shortcuts. Updating the financial statements requires a ton of copy, paste, special (values) and that technique has helped me so much during crunch time.

We have software that will update the balance sheet and income statement automatically, but it takes almost 45 minutes to run. I can do it manually in about 15 minutes.
I never thought that much about it until right now, but I tend not to shortcut often because I am either typing sentences or writing code then executing it. I also tend to automatically do some shortcuts two-handed which is slower but probably less inflaming. I bet if I used them more often one-handed I'd get inflamed at some point. There's a little inflammation at shortcut distance in my dominant hand I didn't notice til you brought this up. Hand stress injuries are weird.
 
Entirely believable. I was frankly astounded how often there was no sidewalk or crossing to get from a hotel to a restaurant only 100 yards away. The only safe way is to get in your car. Incredible.
In contrast, in the handful of European cities I've spent time in, it felt downright inviting to walk or bike everywhere...
 
Pistol squats are horrible lmao. I wouldn't know the percentages of an average person being able to do it, but I sincerely doubt it's more than.. let's say 5 percent? Even lower ? The lack of frontal plane/sagittal plane stability really shows for me when doing it. I can "normal" squat with meh weight, ass to grass, but a deep pistol squat is impossible. I can't barely bend my knee to 90 degrees. Deadlifting is way more easy for me somehow

This is meant with all the respect in the world, but.. no lies, 90/95% of the people I play with is fairly athletic people, around 6 foot, normal sized people, I'm not sure if it's the same deal in the US? It's not like we all are in super shape, running marathons and lifting weights all the time, but most of us is pretty active on daily basis (sports, physical demanding jobs, gyms, etc). How's the general physical shape of the average DG player in the US? (Please don't kill me.. I'm just a stupid Scandinavian, with poor English and knowledge of the US..)
I think the important part is being able to squat on a single leg, the pistol part of the pistol squat is not necessary for discgolf because you dont need to stabilise your other leg in that plane while throwing. To work up to one legged squats you can also put the foot of your other leg on some object like a coffe table at first and later on just bend it to get it out of the way.

In my area there are surprisingly many old discgolfers and some of them struggle with the athletic aspect of it and are especially careful about their front knee when throwing. Its probably part of the culture around discgolf in my area as Berlin was among the first cities in germany to establish a discgolf player base as some US soldiers brought discs over like Stephen Defty. He also established the object course that people later built on for the Berlin open.

In contrast, in the handful of European cities I've spent time in, it felt downright inviting to walk or bike everywhere...
I showed an american discgolfer around here and got us some shitty rental bikes to ride along some of the shittiest bike lanes in the area and his mind was completely blown. We also have a discgolf course here everyone visits by train as it is just across the street from a train station and the club house actually is the building for the train station.

Back to the thread topic. I thought a bit about flat footedness as some people have mentioned it as an impediment to their play and I am also among the flat-footed. It was really helpful to learn to flex the muscles that make up the arch of the foot and work them out some so the arch would also stabilise my foot a bit while doing one legged exercises. Coupled with barefoot shoes that dont support my foot at all and basically just provide some rubber my feet grew a lot stronger and balance stuff like doing all sorts of leg swings on one leg without foot support became much easier. It also helped with discgolf as a flexible shoe makes it easier to balance on uneven ground and account for crooked teepads and the like. I think it was Nick who also mentioned that ankle strength is overlooked in dg.
 
I think the important part is being able to squat on a single leg, the pistol part of the pistol squat is not necessary for discgolf because you dont need to stabilise your other leg in that plane while throwing. To work up to one legged squats you can also put the foot of your other leg on some object like a coffe table at first and later on just bend it to get it out of the way.

A couple of examples:






And, an easy one:
 
I wanna learn those Dragon ones and that like circular mobility type one from the first vid. The rest are all things I can do already.

Almost no one I know can deep pistol squat including all the kids I coach (like 60 this year) it's like me and maybe 3 of the kids that can actually do it lol.

But it's also not an accident that I can do these things and my knees/calves/everything lower body is completely bulletproof and literally never hurts. These things are connected lol.
 
I think the important part is being able to squat on a single leg, the pistol part of the pistol squat is not necessary for discgolf because you dont need to stabilise your other leg in that plane while throwing. To work up to one legged squats you can also put the foot of your other leg on some object like a coffe table at first and later on just bend it to get it out of the way.
Good approach! In terms of knee protection, learning better technique here and getting my legs out of a physical deficit range were #1 and #2. My physical therapist focused a lot on one legged squats at first, but not past 90 degrees fwiw. He started me working just out of a chair with the non-supporting leg hanging a bit loose alongside the pushing leg.

In my area there are surprisingly many old discgolfers and some of them struggle with the athletic aspect of it and are especially careful about their front knee when throwing. Its probably part of the culture around discgolf in my area as Berlin was among the first cities in germany to establish a discgolf player base as some US soldiers brought discs over like Stephen Defty. He also established the object course that people later built on for the Berlin open.
Love this!

[COLOR=var(--text-lighter)] I showed an american discgolfer around here and got us some shitty rental bikes to ride along some of the shittiest bike lanes in the area and his mind was completely blown. We also have a discgolf course here everyone visits by train as it is just across the street from a train station and the club house actually is the building for the train station.[/COLOR]
Yeah that's awesome. Our train systems are famously limited so we don't get much of that action lol

Back to the thread topic. I thought a bit about flat footedness as some people have mentioned it as an impediment to their play and I am also among the flat-footed. It was really helpful to learn to flex the muscles that make up the arch of the foot and work them out some so the arch would also stabilise my foot a bit while doing one legged exercises. Coupled with barefoot shoes that dont support my foot at all and basically just provide some rubber my feet grew a lot stronger and balance stuff like doing all sorts of leg swings on one leg without foot support became much easier. It also helped with discgolf as a flexible shoe makes it easier to balance on uneven ground and account for crooked teepads and the like. I think it was Nick who also mentioned that ankle strength is overlooked in dg.
It's easy to forget the foot has a lot of muscles that need some love too for sure. Barefoot shoes seem awesome for that. I also go barefoot on a rubberized surface for some moves now.

I also used to roll my ankles constantly including occasionally on the edge of a sidewalk. Some of that is lateral strength but some of it seems to be the reactive part of the muscles/nervous system. Even low impact plyos have helped prevent rolls in addition to form benefits.
 
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