FH Help Please

kobrien

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I used to top out around 400' on the forehand, but a few shoulder injuries have sapped some explosiveness and I've lost my 'feel' for the forehand in the last year or so. I can get up to about 330'ish right now, but would love to find a safe way to start creeping back up towards that 400' mark again. Between field/course throws and techdisc readouts, I do have a big problem with throwing my forehands very low and my miss is into the ground. I'd really appreciate any feedback!

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You are squatting and extending on rear leg/quad, instead of hinging back into rear hip/glute/hammy like a pitcher winding up.

Watch how you extend your rear knee going into the plant. And your lower body goes around/over your brace. This is why you are throwing low.

Watch my footwork and how my rear knee bends and rolls into the plant and kicks behind like bowling.
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I used to top out around 400' on the forehand, but a few shoulder injuries have sapped some explosiveness and I've lost my 'feel' for the forehand in the last year or so. I can get up to about 330'ish right now, but would love to find a safe way to start creeping back up towards that 400' mark again. Between field/course throws and techdisc readouts, I do have a big problem with throwing my forehands very low and my miss is into the ground. I'd really appreciate any feedback!

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Rear view:


Are you going for the stokley style wide throw?



So, forehand low miss into the ground generally means 1 of 2 things.
Your nose angle is really low, which is .. good.

Or your swing plane as a whole is to choppy.

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Your overall posture of the throw is throwing down trying to snap through and over.

Now, your grip prior when throwing, I"m not sure if youre using the same grip.

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But generally a split finger grip I teach to players to drive back the power. It side loads your fingers far harder and doesn't let you really push into the disc and transfer the energy, it's more of a sling out with low hand effort.
 
Thank you, both!

Sidewinder - I'll work on the hinge. I never noticed the squat versus the hinge. That is a really good observation and I'll try some practice geared around that.

Sheep - I've just generally noticed that I get better results with a wider arm throw. I wasn't specifically targeting a certain style or anything. I have a tech disc and my nose angle generally sits around +3 to +5 degrees. The split finger grip is the only way I could get a disc to come out cleanly when I first started throwing forehands. Do you generally look for more of a stacked grip?
 
Good catch by Sheep on the grip. I'm not a huge fan of the FH fan grip outside of touch shots, but some people make it work. I think it limits clean power having two separated pressure/leverage points on the disc and can result in more wobble and inconsistency. I like to focus my finger pressure into the inside of the rim as much as possible, so it's going into the spin plane and trajectory vs perpendicular to it.

Also clenching the fingers into the palm during the hit accelerating/ejecting the outside edge disc pivoting around the middle finger. You might griplock at first, and have to adjust for an earlier hit/release point and swing further back.
 


I made this the other day for someone else, maybe it will help.


The split finger grip is great for touch shots and weird angle control shots.
I use it when I'm throwing a very specific forehand shot so I don't finger pop it into the dirt 10 feet in front of me when I'm trying to throw it 50 feet in the air. hahaha.

If your TD is saying that you're throwing +3/5 and you're throwing into the ground, then its definitely your swing plane that I pointed out.

Picture flying an airplane at the target.
We "fly" forehands, we don't "throw" them.
 
Sidewinder - Makes sense of putting pressure into the rim versus the flight plate. I tried it out today and was trying to get a sense of what you mean by clenching the fingers into the palm. Do you mean clenching the pointer and middle fingers towards the palm as I get to the hit point or is that referring to all of the fingers doing clenching? It is only at the hit, correct?

Sheep - That was a great video, thank you! As both you and sidewinder said, I am working on getting the force directing more into the rim and less into the flight plate. I've never thought of it as "flying" versus "throwing". That is a great piece of advice too.
 

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