First form check!

[sidewinder22]

You still look very quady/APT with no rear hip hinge/crease/rotation. Lost your pressure cooker as SC would say in Tilted Spiral 2. Note how my shirt is creased at the rear hip so my chest is tilted/compressed forward over it and the swing and my fronside is turned further back into rear hip going into plant closed. Work on this without x-step.

The Hips

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[Brychanus]

You still look very quady/APT with no rear hip hinge/crease/rotation. Lost your pressure cooker as SC would say in Tilted Spiral 2. Note how my shirt is creased at the rear hip so my chest is tilted/compressed forward over it and the swing and my fronside is turned further back into rear hip going into plant closed. Work on this without x-step.

The Hips

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Well coach, thanks again. Time for me to back up.

Edit: Did a little more to clean up (1) rear knee east/less APT/gain visible crease, (2) let my arm swing wider like sledgehammer (it had been getting cramped), (3) fixed grip so that it was getting a cleaner tip o' the whip. 2 and 3 helped fix my arm action/collapse issue heading into the pocket. Couple more here if useful as I was nudging bits of the shift, spacing, and kinetics around.

 

[sidewinder22]

Let's go back and Tarantino this to Dingle Arm.
1. Less stagger. 6" or so, rear ball inline to lead ankle.
2. Head stacked over front foot from behind view. Note how you are more stuck between your feet.
3. Swing back enough with body so your elbow is behind your shoulder for any backswing. Disc also swings back behind head.
4. Not pictured, but watch your forward swing - your elbow and hand/disc are moving opposite east/west directions while my hand/disc are towed directly behind the elbow going forward.
5. Do not worry about power pocket or horizontal swing plane. Just get the disc to swing around your wrist.
6. Use a relaxed fan grip. Don't swing hard enough to release the disc.

 

[Brychanus]

Let's go back and Tarantino this to Dingle Arm.
1. Less stagger. 6" or so, rear ball inline to lead ankle.
2. Head stacked over front foot from behind view. Note how you are more stuck between your feet.
3. Swing back enough with body so your elbow is behind your shoulder for any backswing. Disc also swings back behind head.
4. Not pictured, but watch your forward swing - your elbow and hand/disc are moving opposite east/west directions while my hand/disc are towed directly behind the elbow going forward.
5. Do not worry about power pocket or horizontal swing plane. Just get the disc to swing around your wrist.
6. Use a relaxed fan grip. Don't swing hard enough to release the disc.

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Let's do it.

It took me ton of reps going back and forth to the camera to check myself. Once I abandoned all sense of "horizontal" and just tried to relax feeling gravity and the slash thru again I got it this far...




After like 40 minutes of that, here's me trying to apply exactly what I felt to a standstilli if relevant. I don't know if they look as different as they feel (which is huge). Edit: this was one of the better ones where my body was less in its own way:


It's still nuts to me how the entire move can "feel" vertical but still produce "horizontal" results.

Edit 2: Field time is about to get very precious so I went back to some freewheeling dingle throwing in the field today. Just evidence that I should keep working in this space. Spent most of the time on standstills and a few X at the end. Easy distance went up again. Things were obviously going better the closer I was to your tips above (and need to keep thinking "push rear knee East" in transition). The 2nd standstill here felt the most efficient overall w/ the best distance - and I really liked how easy it felt.



I'll keep working on it.

 

[sidewinder22]

This was one of your better ones, but still your elbow is moving too eastward sawing off the outward arc. Most of your dingle arm swings are severely sawed off as disc remains inside toes. It's like you are releasing at 12 or 1 o'clock instead of 10 or 11.

 

[Brychanus]

This was one of your better ones, but still your elbow is moving too eastward sawing off the outward arc. Most of your dingle arm swings are severely sawed off as disc remains inside toes. It's like you are releasing at 12 or 1 o'clock instead of 10 or 11.
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Thanks man. I can see it and I feel it dramatically. I think I have inadvertently screwed up the east-west part of the tilted axis entirely. I think since my rear knee kept being allowed to leak out in the backswing, it got me trapped between my feet in that direction and everything else was compensating going around my body. My nose and shoulder didn't want to balance over my toes at all at first. Now that I'm also focusing on "pushing that rear knee east," I can feel my balance floundering a little for where to go when I shift to the plant leg. I need to keep working on that little bit of knee action coming off the rear side.

Soooo... need to push through the Tarantino Dingle here. I'll spend a few days doing this pretty vertical like you suggested and get the elbow consistently swinging through there like yours/think "release at 10/11." I'll try it with your dingle stance here and little shifts & post a drill check before I worry about throwing at all.

 

[Brychanus]

Attempted more dingle focused on elbow/release tonight:

 

[sidewinder22]

Your arc is very long/slow - rounding.

1. Top backswing - Your arm/disc is going around you instead of pulling straight back away from target.

2. Power Pocket - Looks like you don't bend your elbow at all going forward. Note how your thumb and lower arm is already perpendicular to target and disc swung out early.

3. Hit - Posture still a bit APT, both knees equally bent, so no body rotation/walking is happening. Note how my rearside has walked over more and my disc accelerates exponentially faster/later with the lower arm/hand leading/leveraging the disc longer/later.

4. Finish - Note how you stood up out of posture, not finishing the tilted spiral all the way thru.

 

[Brychanus]

Your arc is very long/slow - rounding.

1. Top backswing - Your arm/disc is going around you instead of pulling straight back away from target.

2. Power Pocket - Looks like you don't bend your elbow at all going forward. Note how your thumb and lower arm is already perpendicular to target and disc swung out early.

3. Hit - Posture still a bit APT, both knees equally bent, so no body rotation/walking is happening. Note how my rearside has walked over more and my disc accelerates exponentially faster/later with the lower arm/hand leading/leveraging the disc longer/later.

4. Finish - Note how you stood up out of posture, not finishing the tilted spiral all the way thru.

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Thanks man, next attempt, couple reps:

 

[sidewinder22]

Backswing is little too outside over your toes and knees too bent. Need to walk back and clear your rear knee/hip further back/standing up on it and swing your shoulder back under inside more.

 

[Brychanus]

Backswing is little too outside over your toes and knees too bent. Need to walk back and clear your rear knee/hip further back/standing up on it and swing your shoulder back under inside more.
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And again. Basically letting my legs stand as tall relaxed as possible without locking out.

 

[sidewinder22]

Fully extend/post up your rear knee/hip in backswing. Just be able to re-flex knee after/while moving/shifting forward pushing from plantar flexion.

 

[Brychanus]

Fully extend/post up your rear knee/hip in backswing. Just be able to re-flex knee after/while moving/shifting forward pushing from plantar flexion.

Ok, posting up more here:

 

[sidewinder22]

Your stance looks quite narrow.

 

[Brychanus]

Your stance looks quite narrow.

Yeah, widened some:

 

[sidewinder22]

Now do a little less stagger with rear foot.

 

[Brychanus]

Now do a little less stagger with rear foot.

 

[sidewinder22]

1. More shoulder dingle. Note how your shoulder is more offset from elbow/disc and disc is more outside toes. Note how my shoulder is more over elbow and disc and disc more inside.

2. Note how your rear elbow is chicken winging/flying out. Bring it more inside toes/over the front foot - lefty bowling /upper cut.

3. Keep your grip intact all the way to the finish. Don't pivot the disc in your grip. Bring the disc forward(Slash thru) with the wrist.

 

[Brychanus]

1. More shoulder dingle. Note how your shoulder is more offset from elbow/disc and disc is more outside toes. Note how my shoulder is more over elbow and disc and disc more inside.

2. Note how your rear elbow is chicken winging/flying out. Bring it more inside toes/over the front foot - lefty bowling /upper cut.

3. Keep your grip intact all the way to the finish. Don't pivot the disc in your grip. Bring the disc forward(Slash thru) with the wrist.

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Next attempt:

 

[sidewinder22]

1. Looks like stance is too narrow and too staggered.

2. Your upper cut looks more like a hook.