First form check!

[Brychanus]

1. Looks like stance is too narrow and too staggered.

2. Your upper cut looks more like a hook.

Adjusted 1 for both issues. 2. Took two slightly different "uppercut" paths in the two swings here.

 

[sidewinder22]

This is a baby backswing for both of us, but note how I'm still inside posture with the shoulder, moving body more out of the way and knees more extended.

 

[Brychanus]

This is a baby backswing for both of us, but note how I'm still inside posture with the shoulder, moving body more out of the way and knees more extended.
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Next up:

 

[sidewinder22]

1. You look too upright and rotating shoulders too horizontal. Note how your belly/navel gets more in the way while I'm dropping my shoulder down and tilting over so disc swings under more belly/belt/shoulder and my hips/butt are back deeper out of way. You can stagger your rear foot back a couple inches.

2. You extend your elbow too late. Might be easier to see this in side view relative to front foot.

3. Don't try to curl your wrist around behind 9 o'clock on the disc. It will bend from inertia/lag of the disc and acceleration of the lower arm/elbow extension. Only need a little wrist movement/spring.

 

[Brychanus]

1. You look too upright and rotating shoulders too horizontal. Note how your belly/navel gets more in the way while I'm dropping my shoulder down and tilting over so disc swings under more belly/belt/shoulder and my hips/butt are back deeper out of way. You can stagger your rear foot back a couple inches.

2. You extend your elbow too late. Might be easier to see this in side view relative to front foot.

3. Don't try to curl your wrist around behind 9 o'clock on the disc. It will bend from inertia/lag of the disc and acceleration of the lower arm/elbow extension. Only need a little wrist movement/spring.

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Aha - here's one rear of tee, side of tee, and one new standstill



Edit: I don't think I was getting balanced fully "on top" of my front leg there, so I am adding one other standstill where I changed the tilt/shift:

 

[sidewinder22]

Interesting how the camera angle at top of backswing makes it look like your rear knee is extended in side view, but behind view clearly shows it bent, and my rear knee also looks opposite from different angle.

I think the side view shows the main issue better here. My knees are moving back and forth ahead to catch/brace my pelvis/lower spine shift/tilt. You get in a more jackknife with knees bent in while pelvis tilts over top. Note in the top second pic (release) how your rear shoulder is way in front of your rear knee, while my rear knee walked forward ahead of shoulder.

Behind view frame 1 shows your pump offline to the right instead of releasing right over toes.
Behind frame 2 top of backswing shows your rear hip not stacked up and your disc wing up(fighting gravity).
Behind frame 3 power pocket shows disc more wing up fighting gravity harder, shoulder ER vs IR-relaxed/dingle.
Behind frame 4 hit shows your elbow moving way right/east from pocket, while my elbow stays on line more while lower arm unhinges and rotates around it.
Behind frame 5 finish shows your rearside extended over, while my rearside is relaxed with rear knee walking thru after standing up on front hip.

 

[Brychanus]

Interesting how the camera angle at top of backswing makes it look like your rear knee is extended in side view, but behind view clearly shows it bent, and my rear knee also looks opposite from different angle.

I think the side view shows the main issue better here. My knees are moving back and forth ahead to catch/brace my pelvis/lower spine shift/tilt. You get in a more jackknife with knees bent in while pelvis tilts over top. Note in the top second pic (release) how your rear shoulder is way in front of your rear knee, while my rear knee walked forward ahead of shoulder.

Behind view frame 1 shows your pump offline to the right instead of releasing right over toes.
Behind frame 2 top of backswing shows your rear hip not stacked up and your disc wing up(fighting gravity).
Behind frame 3 power pocket shows disc more wing up fighting gravity harder, shoulder ER vs IR-relaxed/dingle.
Behind frame 4 hit shows your elbow moving way right/east from pocket, while my elbow stays on line more while lower arm unhinges and rotates around it.
Behind frame 5 finish shows your rearside extended over, while my rearside is relaxed with rear knee walking thru after standing up on front hip.
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ok, I went back to E walk, reverse stride, and RtB to see if it could help with any of this:

 

[sidewinder22]

Are you sure your hips are not naturally anteverted like Isaac Robinson? Your posture is jackkniffed leaning/tilted over top your femur instead of in a braced tilt behind the femur.

 

[Brychanus]

Are you sure your hips are not naturally anteverted like Isaac Robinson? Your posture is jackkniffed leaning/tilted over top your femur instead of in a braced tilt behind the femur.
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This is kind of weird. Hard to do this perfectly on myself, but I did my best attempt at Craig's test and after paying a lot of attention to the tronchaters, my plant leg is almost certainly at least a little more anteverted than my drive leg. Maybe related to my childhood spiral fracture, who knows.

Then I went back to your last photo and thought about it. I reset my stance and pump again to see if I could find better/more natural support for braced tilt shifting to the plant leg. Not sure if I should work to still end up with my head as far past the plant foot in follow thru with that in mind.

Next attempt:

 

[sidewinder22]

So the hip test means you are not anteverted. I have similar range of IR - which isn't much.

You aren't tilting correctly - note the ride the bull stick with the spine and my rear hand/hip is closer to target than my head. Your rear heel goes straight up with your upper body going over top. My rear heel everts horizontal as the lower body swings underneath the upperbody to brace up against the swing. If we were to continue this momentum flow my rear foot would kick thru into me doing a backflip or clockwise cartwheel. You are going more into a forward flip/face plant or counterclockwise cartwheel.

 

[sidewinder22]

https://makeagif.com/i/5QS6bA

 

[Brychanus]

So the hip test means you are not anteverted. I have similar range of IR - which isn't much.

You aren't tilting correctly - note the ride the bull stick with the spine and my rear hand/hip is closer to target than my head. Your rear heel goes straight up with your upper body going over top. My rear heel everts horizontal as the lower body swings underneath the upperbody to brace up against the swing. If we were to continue this momentum flow my rear foot would kick thru into me doing a backflip or clockwise cartwheel. You are going more into a forward flip/face plant or counterclockwise cartwheel.

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I visualized/exaggerated more like the Jai Alai fella while swing. This feels totally different/easier/more efficient. Side of tee practice dingle & 1 standstill:




One more standstill bringing the exaggeration back down a bit more to see if I could control the posture and keep more "pressure from leaking out the side of the kettle" in the backswing.

 

[sidewinder22]

1. You never really stand up or get stacked up on the front leg.
2. Your disc is more horizontal/shoulder ER.

 

[sidewinder22]

When you start moving your hips targetward your arm/disc is already dropping forward, so everything is moving too together in transition or you have no real transition.

I start moving my hips targetward earlier while my arm/disc is still floating upward to the top of backswing, so my arm/disc is pulled taut and towed targetward by the body flatter relative to you.

If you have a ball on string/pendulum and then move the fulcrum, the ball lags behind the move and gets pulled back more horizontal.

 

[Brychanus]

When you start moving your hips targetward your arm/disc is already dropping forward, so everything is moving too together in transition or you have no real transition.

I start moving my hips targetward earlier while my arm/disc is still floating upward to the top of backswing, so my arm/disc is pulled taut and towed targetward by the body flatter relative to you.

If you have a ball on string/pendulum and then move the fulcrum, the ball lags behind the move and gets pulled back more horizontal.
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I think this second part is the mirror issue of "never really stacked or stand up on the front leg" from your last post. There is not as much leverage available to move me on the rear leg or to get more pulled taut. So if the pendulum of spine is better after jai allai, I'll work on stacking each way with that tilt & post.

 

[Brychanus]

1. You never really stand up or get stacked up on the front leg.
2. Your disc is more horizontal/shoulder ER.
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When you start moving your hips targetward your arm/disc is already dropping forward, so everything is moving too together in transition or you have no real transition.

I start moving my hips targetward earlier while my arm/disc is still floating upward to the top of backswing, so my arm/disc is pulled taut and towed targetward by the body flatter relative to you.

If you have a ball on string/pendulum and then move the fulcrum, the ball lags behind the move and gets pulled back more horizontal.
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Ok, started to work on these. I'm always going to include both views now. I'm finding that the balance in transition/buttwipe is easier or harder for me to tweak based on the degree of stagger but I'm not confident I'm nailing it. The stagger in rear view below seemed to give me ok clearance to swing thru. Anyway:



*FWIW: my on course performance has been improving/effort in throws dropping/easy distance increasing with zero fieldwork in the past few weeks of just working the dingles.

 

[sidewinder22]

Little better.
Kick thru!

 

[Brychanus]

Little better.
Kick thru!
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Fun! Initial tries below.

Seems like at this point I could keep working on the axis balance, transition, and posture points until the follow through is better balanced with the kick thru like your swing drill. I can stop spamming you with reps and go grind all this for at least a couple weeks on my own if that seems reasonable.

 

[sidewinder22]

Your kick should go underneath you and back around behind you, not make you step forward.

 

[Brychanus]

Your kick should go underneath you and back around behind you, not make you step forward.

Yeah. Tried to end more like Kallstrom

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