form check 6 years late

[Mania]

Hey guys,

I've been playing since fall 2015, looking to get some help on backhand form. If I get a good grip on my drivers I can get out to ~360 ft pretty consistently with peaks around 380 ft.

I've got a few videos of my fieldwork session today with some putters going around 240ish ft. Was just trying to focus on being slow and smooth but I've got a lot of nose angle issues and feel like I'm taking too wide of a plant step which is getting me inconsistent release points.

Any help is appreciated!


(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFyXAvKL94s)

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmredJgjD3Q)

 

[bsammons]

Couple big things.
You're trying to rotate and start throwing from your back foot. Rotation shouldn't be something you're focused on, it happens as a byproduct of proper bracing and momentum conservation.

The brace should feel exactly like kicking a ball left footed, or a one legged deadlift. You're slamming into your right knee instead of using it to leverage your body against the ground using gravity.

The arm should feel like you're being dragged behind a boat waterskiing. You're thinking of the throw being forward and away from the body, when the throw is most efficiently done laterally/sideways/almost backwards feeling.

 

[sidewinder22]

You look like you are trying to be too careful. Your front foot is leading your stride and kicking out ahead of your rear leg driving CoG. So your rear leg is too late. Your spine is too vertical so your shoulder starts going targetward early. Door Frame Drills should pull your shoulder further back and tilt your spine back as the hips lead the stride. Also see Hershyzer Drills.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119328

 

[Cowabungapizzabomb]

You're all spin and horizontal movement right now, gotta get some y axis involved. I would suggest getting more push/pop off the right foot before the x step so your weight glides over the x step and more definitively into your plant.

I'd.also suggest trying more of a pendulum backswing because then gravity will help you with your rhythm/timing. With the shoulders turning only horizontally as you are, it leaves you prone to timing issues (you're turning back a little early to my eye) and makes it tough to get the disc moving forward without a right shoulder jerk which you have and its messing up your nose angle.

If you watch Seabass22's youtube video "spinning vs shifting" its probably a better explanation than whatever i just attempted to write.

 

[Mania]

Wow, thanks for the responses guys!

In regards to spinning instead of bracing, does anyone have any drills or things I can do to try and get the right feeling for the brace?

I just watched the hershyzer drill video and I am definitely not doing anything close to that in the throw lol

Appreciate the help, have some stuff to work on!

 

[sidewinder22]

Crush the Can, Turbo Ecabulator, Swivel Stairs, One Leg Drill, Elephant Walk.

 

[Mania]

I'm back again!

It's been a super busy (almost) year and I haven't had a ton of time for disc golf, but I've been trying to incorporate more of the one leg and hershyzer drills when I do my field work.

I feel like I've made some progress, but in recent I've really been trying to feel the brace and stay behind it in a more balanced way.

Hopefully I can get some more guidance and at least learn if I'm on the right track.

After rewatching this session I feel like my spine is still too upright(?) and I might benefit from bringing my plant foot in some, It looks like I'm planting really wide but it really doesn't feel that way when I'm actually throwing. This session I was trying to be smooth and not over do anything.

I definitely feel less pressure on my plant knee than I did before, thankfully.

rear view

side view

 

[Cowabungapizzabomb]

Wow you got a lot better! From the rear view it looks to me like you are staggering your plant foot too far left and your body moves left as you swing. How have you been doing hitting lines/gaps?

 

[sidewinder22]

Note how you are leaning back away behind your right foot going into x-step, so you haven't driven or leveraged your center forward off it.

Note how your rear knee/hip is falling over your toes to the left tee, while Paul is balanced seated back deeper behind the ankle to leverage his center targetward.

 

[Mania]

2 years later and I still can't break 400...

Help!

I know, it's only a side view, I'll see if I can get another view next time I'm out playing.

This was a throw with a MVP detour on a slight hyzer flip that lazer'd 311. I got a fission insanity this session to 388!

I'll forever be in your debt if I can get 400 on command.

 

[Brychanus]

Holistic comment, sidewinder may help you with details/cause/effect.

You've got a lot of the key pieces, but I don't think you're putting your body in the posture & sequence to maximize (1) core and (2) lat loading in the backswing. So your action through your core and upper body is a bit sluggish and your weight shift is lagging a bit. You are missing the elastic muscular & fascial "rubber band" effect some pros talk about and "X-factor" sidewinder talks about in inside swing drill. So I might:

1. Try the inside swing and reinforce access to that "X-factor"/core/oblique sling load.
2. Add door frame drill to improve posture and get the rest of the loading to work through the core and into the shift.
3. Use Double Dragon to continue to access those mechanics and then learn how to harmonize with gravity/minimize effort.

 

[Mania]

Love that, thanks for the recommendations!

I definitely feel like core engagement is lacking.

Recently I feel like lat engagement has been better, but not great by any means. I made a conscience effort to do door frame drills awhile back to help get my lead shoulder back and it definitely feels more powerful.

 

[Brychanus]

FWIW my lat engagement seemed to improve after I got the rear side to anchor the core loading/x-factor. Hard to know exactly, but I think it works something like oblique sling loads until peak of backswing, and lats stretch relative to that load, then as the shift completes the elastic tension through core unloads and then "unfurls" through the elastic effect thru the lats. Then arm carries through.

Try Wiggins preshot routine a bit too. Watch closely and you might notice the disc almost looks like it's moving "backwards" toward the camera - that's an illusion because it's actually his body stretching out a bit through the core and lat as he completes the weight shift ahead of the disc as described above.

My guess however is that your body needs the kinetic feedback/forced stretch from the wall until it can do it freestanding or walking.

 

[Mania]

Can you elaborate a bit on:

the rear side to anchor the core loading/x-factor

Conceptually I think I understand how the oblique sling relates to lat stretch/engagement through a difference in angle between hips and shoulders, or "x-factor".

Maybe I'm just being dumb with word salads, but I don't know if I understand the concept of using the rear side to "anchor". Is that just having proper rear foot/rear hip placement for the back swing?

 

[Mania]

Something clicked today with loading the obliques, I broke 400 for the first time twice hitting 437 and 468(!!!)

Will try and get new footage next session.