Frustration can’t get over 250ft max 327

[sidewinder22]

Looks like you are rotating too early before shifting. Your head is further ahead of your disc than the previous video. Keep eyes on disc.

Take better framed video and also from behind tee.

 

[Sheep]

Alright I have a serious issue, I went to the course and reverted back to old habbits, didn't get to do field work for several days. I went to the field/net today and I could not for the life of me create that feeling again of a heavy disc. At first I was trying to fix my shoulder collapse and thought maybe that was it, so I stopped doing that and still couldn't get that awesome feeling of slinging something. I did take some video but at this point I was frustrated and was probably arming the disc. Any suggestions? (Also I was still doing the feet together drill from previous.

[somethings wrong?]

I don't know if it's cuz I'm getting old and it's overcast and I felt particularly stiff today? I just know I was pumping them out 300-350 like it was nothing from the feet together position, and that's just not happening now.

This is why I am not a fan of field work.
Field work is for learning how your discs fly with shot shapes or warming up.

When we practice on the course, which i understand we can't always do that, we are making sure we are learning in the correct mindset where we work.

Lets say we are building houses, and I come teach you a few things at home before work the next day. We get to the jobsite, you're brain can't take that space from home and put it into perspective on the jobsite.

We "can" work on our form with field work, but we need to take it to the course to help solidify what we are teaching ourselves.

So when I give lessons, I generally go to a less played course to teach people, because they are always in the mindset and the lessons will stick.
Because what our brain see's in a field is "throwing discs in a field, weeee"
What our brain see's on the course is something with consequences and challenge. We need to practice in the right mindspace.

 

[Ebp921]

This is why I am not a fan of field work.
Field work is for learning how your discs fly with shot shapes or warming up.

When we practice on the course, which i understand we can't always do that, we are making sure we are learning in the correct mindset where we work.

Lets say we are building houses, and I come teach you a few things at home before work the next day. We get to the jobsite, you're brain can't take that space from home and put it into perspective on the jobsite.

We "can" work on our form with field work, but we need to take it to the course to help solidify what we are teaching ourselves.

So when I give lessons, I generally go to a less played course to teach people, because they are always in the mindset and the lessons will stick.
Because what our brain see's in a field is "throwing discs in a field, weeee"
What our brain see's on the course is something with consequences and challenge. We need to practice in the right mindspace.

Ive always done my form work in the field or into a net. But I really like this, it makes sense. Unfortunately I can easily step outside and throw in a net or field so it's super convenient. But yes I should be going to the course alone and putting the practice into play.

 

[Sheep]

Ive always done my form work in the field or into a net. But I really like this, it makes sense. Unfortunately I can easily step outside and throw in a net or field so it's super convenient. But yes I should be going to the course alone and putting the practice into play.

Yeah, I throw into a net myself.
And there is a lot of times where I'll finally get what I'm going at, but just loose it because I'm not doing it on the course.

I've also had throwing on the course not stick as well. I was messing my weightshift up one night, finally got it right right and was hitting 400-450, which is rare for me. We were just throwing back to the start ot he course, not actually playing the holes.

Take everyones names and money, start the round, I could only throw 200 feet. It's not that I didn't learn it, it's that I didn't practice it on the job well enough to get it to hook for a minute.

Our minds are incredibly fickle and annoying. Such as being a form guy. Doesn't matter how much I know, my body doesn't care how much I know about a golf swing. it flops around like a fish out of water when I try and throw discs 90% of the time.
Now, if I was giving lessons for 18 holes straight, you'd probably see me shoot a -12 or a -15. Cause I have 0 issues throwing when giving lessons.

Explore the concepts into the net at home. Go to the course when nobody is there and re-draw those concepts on the tee pad a few throws at a time. That's really the best way to do it. I think that people can get to the course and throw to many off the tee and they are not giving the body a chance to think and learn.

 

[Ebp921]

Yeah, I throw into a net myself.
And there is a lot of times where I'll finally get what I'm going at, but just loose it because I'm not doing it on the course.

I've also had throwing on the course not stick as well. I was messing my weightshift up one night, finally got it right right and was hitting 400-450, which is rare for me. We were just throwing back to the start ot he course, not actually playing the holes.

Take everyones names and money, start the round, I could only throw 200 feet. It's not that I didn't learn it, it's that I didn't practice it on the job well enough to get it to hook for a minute.

Our minds are incredibly fickle and annoying. Such as being a form guy. Doesn't matter how much I know, my body doesn't care how much I know about a golf swing. it flops around like a fish out of water when I try and throw discs 90% of the time.
Now, if I was giving lessons for 18 holes straight, you'd probably see me shoot a -12 or a -15. Cause I have 0 issues throwing when giving lessons.

Explore the concepts into the net at home. Go to the course when nobody is there and re-draw those concepts on the tee pad a few throws at a time. That's really the best way to do it. I think that people can get to the course and throw to many off the tee and they are not giving the body a chance to think and learn.

It's just so strange that I had done this 80-100 times and even started to put it into an xstep then the feeling disappears and can't find it again three days later. Extremely frustrating, makes me want to quit trying to advance my form.

 

[Sheep]

It's just so strange that I had done this 80-100 times and even started to put it into an xstep then the feeling disappears and can't find it again three days later. Extremely frustrating, makes me want to quit trying to advance my form.

Take all those feelings you got now.
And then apply a big helping of "I teach disc golf and know stuff."

And... then you got how I play. =)

It's actually a hinderance sometimes to know to much, cause your brain over analyzes everything you're doing vs just winging a disc successfully down the fairway.
I know what I "should" be doing, but my body says "nah"

But yeah. Go warm up in a field at the course or off a tee pad, then play some holes really focusing on that form stuff so your brain can correlate what you're doing.

Our brains LOVE routine and habbits.
So you have to make your good throw the "on the course" throw. Otherwise your brain will revert to auto pilot on the course.

 

[Ebp921]

I plan on posting some more drill videos. However in the meantime, what's the chances that I'm hunting a feeling that I'm not going to recreate? Like is their a chance that my body became acclimated to that feeling and what's was happening is? Because that day I was able to do it every single time I threw. I was even changing things and still feeling it. So I'm having a hard time that I'm not even getting a touch of that feeling again.

 

[Brychanus]

Massed learning and repetition, letting your brain connect the intent with the outcome, and rest/spacing practice over a long time.

The feels and focus will naturally change as you look at and feel different parts of the moves at different times.

As motions become more integrated people tend to become less aware of the details and just move, and focus less on feeling than they do the outcomes.

A lot of people move on before the massed learning and repetition phase for any part of the move becomes permanent and reliable. Do it over and over and over again until failure seems surprising (or a given strategy isn't working, in which case get feedback and change strategies).

 

[Ebp921]

I got myself a tech disc. It's been super helpful in sense that I really believe it has to be technique / arm speed. All the other stats are pretty good from everything I've seen from people using the tech disc. I never throw above flat nose angle, low wobble, pretty average spin for my speed.

300ft is pretty easily obtainable with little to no effort.