Is it in?

I had posted the photos on a basket rules thread, and was directed to here. This was a first for me, the putter is a Pixel. 20 to 25 mph wind coming 45 degrees from the right first photo, I'm putting 45 degrees from the left 20 feet. Splashed chains right center after watching the disc move left to right rapidly, And there it settled on two nubs.

Based on the top of the basket rule, I thought out. My friend far more experienced said your in, I took the birdie.

On my home course Munden Point Virginia Beach. 18 short, in the background 17 short tee, 16 short basket. Still the most scenic course I've played. Worth the 40 mile round trip, and I'm a wind dig-it along with others yesterday.
 

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I've been arguing to count DROTS for about 30 years. For simplicity, and any injustice would be extremely rare.

But at least the PDGA moved in the right direction, getting away from a rule based on how it entered the basket, and whether you saw it or not.

Still a hurdle when baskets are installed in such a way that they can be supported by both the basket, and a fixed feature (ground, concrete, tree). It would be nice to say, just don't set baskets like that, but the rules have to deal with the world they find.
 
I've been arguing to count DROTS for about 30 years. For simplicity, and any injustice would be extremely rare.

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Until manufacturers started an arms race for catchy-stuff on top. Memory foam, rodent glue traps, bird-catching mist nets, giant funnels, another tray (or seven).

We would need tech specs first to prevent silliness.

But still, on top only makes sense in a world where "supported by" is what counts. I like "in or out" as the question to be answered. On top is more clearly not "in" as compared to not "supported by".

Just as the ground under the basket, the lock, the pole holding it up, or that gimmicky other basket under the real target may be supporting the disc, but shouldn't complete the hole.
 
I'd count it. What harm is done in a one-in-ten-billion lucky exception? I heard a recent story of a shot that was way off course, hit a tree, ricocheted onto the top of the basket....it if it fallen through the top of the basket it would have counted. If that counts, the one hanging from a poorly-attached directional arrow can count, too.
 
I would like the rule to read something like this:
In order to complete a hole with a basket target, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest within the tray or chains or on top of the basket. A disc wedged in the tray or balanced on the tray must 50% or more of the disc inside the tray.

In every photo I have seen of "wedgies" it was very obvious if the disc was more than 50% in or not.
Discs hanging on the nubs outside of the basket SHOULD NOT COUNT!
Discs leaning against the outside of the tray SHOULD NOT COUNT!

The current "supported by" wording is just terrible.
 
I would like the rule to read something like this:
In order to complete a hole with a basket target, the thrower must release the disc and it must come to rest within the tray or chains or on top of the basket. A disc wedged in the tray or balanced on the tray must 50% or more of the disc inside the tray.

In every photo I have seen of "wedgies" it was very obvious if the disc was more than 50% in or not.
Discs hanging on the nubs outside of the basket SHOULD NOT COUNT!
Discs leaning against the outside of the tray SHOULD NOT COUNT!

The current "supported by" wording is just terrible.
Yup, very obvious that it is 50%
 

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Depends on which way you tug.
It will be easier one way or the other. If there are cases where the disc is exactly 50/50 (or too close to call), call it in.

Players would have less philosophical difficulty calling the half-in disc "in" than saying the disc hanging on the next-tee sign completes the hole. Which would count under the "if the tray disappeared would the disc fall?" interpretation.
 
Yup, very obvious that it is 50%
As with other rulings, let the group decide, If 50% or more of the disc is inside the tray, then it's in.
This is the first 50/50 photo I've seen.
 
My first ace was a no chain, tray hit wedge on the far side of the tray, thankfully mostly in. I did hear the hit on the tray, but I don't play with my glasses on so it looked like my disc was laying past the basket on the ground from the tee. At 100 feet I could tell the disc was in excitement, at C1 I could tell it was wedge in uh oh, at bullseye mostly in the tray back to excitement. I had previously watched a basket rules discussion on someone's channel. Except on my previous post, A disc hanging on nubs on the outside of tray wasn't discussed. If your disc is mostly wedge outside of basket, and ruled out, wouldn't it be the same for a disc hanging on nubs on the outside?

The first ace felt a little empty, I didn't get to hear the rattle of chains. That had to wait until the second ace.
 
My first ace was a no chain, tray hit wedge on the far side of the tray, thankfully mostly in. I did hear the hit on the tray, but I don't play with my glasses on so it looked like my disc was laying past the basket on the ground from the tee. At 100 feet I could tell the disc was in excitement, at C1 I could tell it was wedge in uh oh, at bullseye mostly in the tray back to excitement. I had previously watched a basket rules discussion on someone's channel. Except on my previous post, A disc hanging on nubs on the outside of tray wasn't discussed. If your disc is mostly wedge outside of basket, and ruled out, wouldn't it be the same for a disc hanging on nubs on the outside?

The first ace felt a little empty, I didn't get to hear the rattle of chains. That had to wait until the second ace.
I said much earlier in this thread that when a wedged disc occurs the players will always know how it got there. (did it go over the top of the tray or come in from the side?)
Based on your throw, flight angle, flight height, where the disc was wedged, how far it was wedged in and other information you had - was there any doubt whatsoever that the disc entered over the top of the tray?
 
I said much earlier in this thread that when a wedged disc occurs the players will always know how it got there. (did it go over the top of the tray or come in from the side?)
Based on your throw, flight angle, flight height, where the disc was wedged, how far it was wedged in and other information you had - was there any doubt whatsoever that the disc entered over the top of the tray?
The hanging nub is in.
 
The title of this thread is "Is it in?" In no way, shape or form should a hanging nub disc be consider "IN".
@ru4por redirected me to this thread from another thread. I'm pretty sure he stated it was in or he can correct me. At the time I ruled myself out based on the on top of the basket rule, then my playing partner ruled in, it didn't make since to me to be in. So far were the only two on DGCR that would rule it out. I've shown the photos to others "in or out", it's been split in half. All part of the fun.
 

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