Ken Climo leaving Innova

That's most aging people in the workforce, Scott is no different, just magnified because it's drastically more cutthroat and has far less opportunities.

We're all in a mad scramble of competition and chaos in the hustle and grind, most people just don't realize it.
I think most people would realize if they were in a mad scramble of chaos, no?

Scott seems to have found a nice niche for himself. Disc Golf at the pro level is definitely a young person's game.
 
I gotta have hope amigo - Scott and Ken are only a couple years older than me. I'm not trying to stay 'relevant' but I'd like them to see some success now so they're not pimping discs at events at 75.
 
The 'always on' energy is a little cringe, but at the same time GREAT! He's been grinding. Doing work to not only make money but to build out the hobby at the ground level.
Climo, on the other hand, seemed to have just walked away after he couldn't win any more(which is fine), but now that there is real money to be made, he's big mad the dg world moved on and he missed out on the covid big money wave, I think.

This would've been a surefire thing 10 years ago.

10 years is a long time after recent MASSIVE influx of new/young players that have zero connection to KC.

Scott, for anyone who doesn't know, did absolutely massive amounts of drugs a long while ago. If you know what drugs do to people at that levels, you can easily see it in how Scott acts now. Most people were like "Thats just his ADHD." Like no bro, That's what drugs do to you.

A lot of his weird personality comes from that.

The problem with Scott is this though, He's a pump and dump sorta entrepreneur. He will start something then just.. onto the next thing.

Anyone seen discgolflessons.com? Yeah, that's Scott. He made 1 video about starting it. Has never once promoted it again ever since, and currently, because he's never done any maintenance on the site whatsoever, nothing works on it.
And he wants people paying so much a month to be on the site to be available to coach others. I think its like 20 bucks a month? I'm sure that all the rest of the folks on there have figured out that.. well. The site wont boot you out cause its so poorly written if you remove your credit card info like I have.
I have gotten a few lesson calls from there. 1 scammer trying to scam me, and a whole bunch of people who want lessons, but they just wont commit.
People find it, and its fantastic when they do, but now none of the contact stuff works.
At one point when you emailed a "coach" the system literally started emailing everyone on the site. I talked to one of Scotts "certified coaches" from the site and Scott had told him that was a "feature" when he asked about it. ... like.. okay, no its not. Why would you have it email everyone on the site.

Anyways, the site doesn't work now, people are messaging me via Instagram through the site there the last... 3 people? The scammer found my phone number, that was a funny attempt at a scam. "oh i'll write you a check, i'm not there, they are really easy to cash, I can show you." Lesson was supposed to be for his 3 sons. who'd never played, were home schooled and didn't ahve any discs. Glad I asked the right questions.

I don't "hate" Scott by any means, but I do know some things others don't about him. Because he was here a few years ago and stayed all winter. and some shenanigan's ensued.
Plus some of his previous... endeavors where he did some really bad stuff.

I do think he's trying to make up for it.
I do think Scott honestly tries to do good things for disc golf.
But if you talk to Scott enough, you will see he has a really... really high impression of himself. It just makes him so cringe to me. Because he'll do anything for the promotion and attention, but he just can't stick with anything either. Like the DGLessons site. apparently that wasn't his first thing he's done like that where he just starts it and just dumps it at the side of the road. I dont know the others, but I was informed about it by someone else when the site came out.

the "iron leaf" video has always made Barsby the player I want to hang out with most.....

Barsby, I hate to tell you, is absolutely amazing to hang out with.
I mean, dont bother man. He's a great time. It's terrible to be around him having so much fun.

haha, he's so much fun. seriously. I go out of my way to hang out with him.

Matty-O is a great time too. I've gotten smashed with matt and colgazer.

I think most people would realize if they were in a mad scramble of chaos, no?

Scott seems to have found a nice niche for himself. Disc Golf at the pro level is definitely a young person's game.

We don't have the pro masters promotion we used to. And I really wish we did. I'd rather watch promasters golf than this young kids throwing 600 feet crap.

Promasters was promoted a lot more back in the 90's and early 2000's.
The turn that disc golf has made from then to now is quite interesting when you watch old post production vs now.
 
I gotta have hope amigo - Scott and Ken are only a couple years older than me. I'm not trying to stay 'relevant' but I'd like them to see some success now so they're not pimping discs at events at 75.

I'd love to see relevancy of our old guard come into actual use by the tour, dgpt and more.
These guys have a lot to offer the industry overall from just being spokemen, to other things. Especially guys like Ken. Were missing all sorts of other OG's too that were tops, Feldberg, Doss and a few others.

They have their place in our sport still. And I want to see that. Even Scott, even though the man drives me nuts.

I don't necessarily think these guys should be doing stuff like. lets say, course creation.
But giving that old school feedback to the players, being part of industry teams.
Testing products and just giving that different view point.

Most of the guys I play with are from the Climo/Stokley/Feldberg era of golf. They all attack courses different. They all throw a bit different. And they have some shots they all throw that none of the pro's really know about now days.

Old dogs still got tricks to teach. Just nobody wants to listen.
 
Promasters was promoted a lot more back in the 90's and early 2000's.
I don't recall this being the case. Masters Worlds may have gotten a bit more attention because it was not separated from the Open players yet. Other than that Masters was something of an afterthought imo.
 
I'd love to see relevancy of our old guard come into actual use by the tour, dgpt and more.
These guys have a lot to offer the industry overall from just being spokemen, to other things. Especially guys like Ken. Were missing all sorts of other OG's too that were tops, Feldberg, Doss and a few others.
I think that would have to take the shape of some kind of self-made social media content. Like jomez' practice round type thing or a skins match setup of a rotating cast of old timers.
(old timers in context of these young guns comin up)
 
If Climo gets them to unfuck esp plastic I'll buy a LOT more discraft.
I don't know what all the complaining is about here.

Look, some people like these vaguely muted puke or sewage-inspired variants of colors that make you realize that the human eye is spoiled and needs to be taught humility and gratitude.

A plurality of us loathe predictability when we make purchases and prefer it to feel like an aeronautic slot machine. Why choose lot mold when one mold do trick?Why want disc fly when ground where it go anyway?

A minority of us like tooling on the rim that hardens the fingertips in response to gradual blister-induced bloodshed erupting in the wake of the release.

Certainly at least one of us admires the tired and uninspired fonts and swirling patterns that look like the practice art of an average three year old while feeling nostalgic for the good old days when disc golf was small and intimate and totally not infiltrated by egos and attitudes and exponential profit motives.

What, I ask you, is there to unfuck?


Yep, its a disc eat disc world out there.
I just wanted to tell you that every time I read your username I involuntarily chuckle. I hope you have that printed on a shirt you wear while throwing overhand-only rounds.
 
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I'd love to see relevancy of our old guard come into actual use by the tour, dgpt and more.
These guys have a lot to offer the industry overall from just being spokemen, to other things. Especially guys like Ken. Were missing all sorts of other OG's too that were tops, Feldberg, Doss and a few others.

They have their place in our sport still. And I want to see that. Even Scott, even though the man drives me nuts.

I don't necessarily think these guys should be doing stuff like. lets say, course creation.
But giving that old school feedback to the players, being part of industry teams.
Testing products and just giving that different view point.

Most of the guys I play with are from the Climo/Stokley/Feldberg era of golf. They all attack courses different. They all throw a bit different. And they have some shots they all throw that none of the pro's really know about now days.

Old dogs still got tricks to teach. Just nobody wants to listen.
Yeah some of the shots... man... those are cool, old-school is a hell of a thing, too bad about the 800-1000ft holes. They forced those guys out of competition.

I love a good air bounce or a chicken wing, I know a guy that can pie over a 100' downhill. And has a pie ace.

Also Esp plastic is disgusting now, it wasn't great 7 or 8 yrs ago and it just got worse.

Point me to the old farts thread... I feel a rant coming on...
 
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It is color shift.
But for sale right now someone selling.
But.
Puke color, as always. Even best line. =\
Why discraft. why?
 
The Disc Golf Legends round featuring Climo has less than 150,000 views 11 months after release on an already established YT channel.
 
The Disc Golf Legends round featuring Climo has less than 150,000 views 11 months after release on an already established YT channel.

GK pro has 136k subs.


The video view count is in line with their sub count at 146k.

Some stuff people actually wanna watch. New content or different content.

Bill is right though. The DG YT bubble popped big time. Everyone was gonna make youtube content, everyone is a DG Youtube coach. And all these people screwed themselves by being selfish with how they built their channels too.
 
What killed my interest in players' youtubes is when they started splitting rounds between channels. I aint gonna play 'find the video' to see the other half.

I understand why they did/do it, I just hate it.
I don't watch them because I don't find them compelling, but they typically link the other video in the description. It doesn't take much hunting if you want to watch it.
 
I like to watch practice rounds from courses I am unfamiliar with but the DGPT isn't really hitting many of those anymore.
I'm with biscoe. I watch some to see a new course. I find little entertainment value in much professional disc golf.
 
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