Looking for advice to develop better form

[sidewinder22]

The tilt needs to change throughout the swing to remain in dynamic balance. Your tilt is not changing which is why you can't brace properly. This can be hard to see with some players.

 

[Brychanus]

Just piling on - it also really helps to look at the swing in different angles and as a whole motion to understand the stillframes.

If you took the camera angled to be more like what you see in Young Paul and synced closer to exiting the pocket all the way to the release, you'd see this:



In sidewinder's experience & evidenced in many cases, it is much easier to simplify the work to learn to shift like young Paul before worrying about "flourishes" in form. Paul is still swinging the sledge, he just modified his form after getting the balance to take advantage of his rediculous levers:

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

What drills or cues would be something to try out to change this?

 

[Brychanus]

Sidewinder linked you to tilted super spiral above. Start there.

I am literally working on learning to throw sledgehammers w/ SW's input now. Would not start there, but just emphasizing that the move scales all the way up to more momentous/high force swings/throws.

 

[sidewinder22]

Ride the Bull, Double Dragon drills.

Your chin should lead your nose back and forth. Pour water out your trailing ear back and forth.

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

Your footwork looks fine FH.
Your arm action is little odd.

What particularly is a little off with the arm action, what would you change?

 

[sidewinder22]

What particularly is a little off with the arm action, what would you change?

Your backswing is really short and forward swing looks "pushy" in baseball terms.

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

Your backswing is really short and forward swing looks "pushy" in baseball terms.

Looking at some pros throw FH most of them have the disc around their back leg or slightly behind it like I am, so not so sure if it's so short. Regarding being pushy, I watched some baseball videos and what I got from it was that it's "pushy" when the arm is leading the throw too much, so lead more with the hips and perhaps chest and let the arm lag more behind if I'm getting it right?

 

[sidewinder22]

Rick and me vs you. Your arm/disc is not loaded back.

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

Rick and me vs you.
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Thanks, I'll try out a little bigger reach back and work on a less pushy arm motion

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

BH:

I've worked a bit on the tilted spiral, ride the bull, and double dragon drills.
Not sure if I'm getting a feel for it or not; here are two videos of my throw trying to focus on the "feel" from these drills.





Any advice is much appreciated when throwing would it perhaps be better to throw steep hyzers to get the feel for it?

FH:

I've experimented on primarily two things.

1. Brace: I tried to stay closed to target for longer, and also to plant slightly more closed than usual. This seems to make my plant foot a little more angled into the plant and perhaps get some better hip/shoulder separation.



2. Longer reach back and leading more with the hips, did not really get it much longer as I guess it feels a bit unnatural so might need to exaggerate even more, but maybe the arm movement looks less pushy?




Is anything going in the right direction?

 

[sidewinder22]

1st BH vid was much better than 2nd one(bad). Yes, learn to throw with slower understable discs on hyzer.

FH you need to externally rotate/supinate and retract your shoulder in backswing - swing your elbow/disc back and up. Your front arm is also flying open early.

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

1st BH vid was much better than 2nd one(bad). Yes, learn to throw with slower understable discs on hyzer.

FH you need to externally rotate/supinate and retract your shoulder in backswing - swing your elbow/disc back and up. Your front arm is also flying open early.
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Thank you for the reply, does the 1st BH video seem to be more improved than my previous videos regarding the tilted spiral - if so I'll keep going in that direction, basically throwing slowly and exaggerating that pressure on the brace and staying behind it.

FH: I'll try to get the disc higher, I guess for me it's just been an accuracy thing to keep it low, but I assume there's probably quite a bit extra power to get if I can learn to control a higher swing plane.

 

[sidewinder22]

Yes, keep working on that one.

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

A few throws from today's fieldwork session after a few days of rest.





Not sure if any improvements, but the throws felt pretty effortless and pushed some of my mids to 330-360.

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

Experimented with some Crow hops (former Ulibarri style) after reading about it in another thread, I still tend to overrotate early when I do full power shots and this style really makes the rear leg stride and timing of coil really easy, do you see any improvements in this style of throwing? Should I keep doing it as a drill?

 

[sidewinder22]

You are landing behind your rear foot instead of leveraged in front of it.

 

[Brychanus]

Experimented with some Crow hops (former Ulibarri style) after reading about it in another thread, I still tend to overrotate early when I do full power shots and this style really makes the rear leg stride and timing of coil really easy, do you see any improvements in this style of throwing? Should I keep doing it as a drill?

I have suffered a lot of body confusion moving off the drive leg, including various slips in leverage or getting too rotational in the backswing and spoiling most of the abrupt shift into the plant (big key to swing efficiency). It is hard to find the sweet spot(s) for most players.

The crow hops without leaning away (SW's last point) have recently been the most reliable way to get my whole body more comfortable moving more laterally into the plant while also coiling back. Need to get your mAss ahead of that rear foot at which point you should feel like you are accelerating down a curved ramp into the plant (SW calls it "Brinsterochrone curve"). That acceleration is a big key to "easy" power.


I have recently found it helpful to do a handful during drive practice as part of my warm up, then after every couple shots to keep working on the move.

Doing a few with the foot but not the knee crossing fully behind (a "side shuffle hop" like Tattar or Paju or Robinson) also seems to help get it to transfer better to the X-step (drive/rear knee crossing fully behind) because that move is an intermediate form between a crow hop and X-step. Theoretically X-step probably allows a little more rotational/centrifugal force when you land (don't force rotation -just let it happen!) & might be slightly easier on the body if done well.

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

Trying to not leaning back crow style

 

[Brychanus]

The crow hop part looks a little better to me, but I think you've still got some of the balance issue SW pointed out in post 21 when you land to swing.