Looking for advice to develop better form

Yes, I'm struggling with the balance thing into the brace, have tried to over exaggerate and correct and all the drills linked but can't seem to get the feel for it
 
Yes, I'm struggling with the balance thing into the brace, have tried to over exaggerate and correct and all the drills linked but can't seem to get the feel for it
I think all of the drill moves are good at helping with the balance.

If you haven't worked with throwing longer/heavier levers or objects you might try that too. I was surprised at how different it felt once it started transferring to my own swing. Will probably feel much less effortful than how you're swinging there.

I think a mistake a lot of players make is trying to force their posture to "Make a power pocket." You might be doing it. Don't do that.

Let the arm swing wide like a bat or hammer or brick throw. The centrifugal force of the swing will create the pocket for you with less effort.








The more my body and arm get the balance and swing like a hammer, the farther I throw with less effort on a better tilted axis:
 
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I think all of the drill moves are good at helping with the balance.

If you haven't worked with throwing longer/heavier levers or objects you might try that too. I was surprised at how different it felt once it started transferring to my own swing. Will probably feel much less effortful than how you're swinging there.

I think a mistake a lot of players make is trying to force their posture to "Make a power pocket." You might be doing it. Don't do that.

Let the arm swing wide like a bat or hammer or brick throw. The centrifugal force of the swing will create the pocket for you with less effort.








The more my body and arm get the balance and swing like a hammer, the farther I throw with less effort on a better tilted axis:


I might force the power pocket a little, what it looks like to me it's that I'm kinda "leaning" into it, kind of using gravity to drag the disc down and into my pocket, and "leaning" forward a bit as I release, perhaps?

I'm still not entirely sure how to think about the tilted axis thing, and not sure how it would feel and look if I do it right, I've thrown some hammers and stuff before but not something I've worked a lot on.
 
I might force the power pocket a little, what it looks like to me it's that I'm kinda "leaning" into it, kind of using gravity to drag the disc down and into my pocket, and "leaning" forward a bit as I release, perhaps?

I'm still not entirely sure how to think about the tilted axis thing, and not sure how it would feel and look if I do it right, I've thrown some hammers and stuff before but not something I've worked a lot on.

I think it's easy to confuse the role gravity should play in the throw. It sounds like you are focusing more on a "drag down" than a smooth evolution:

It's more like a swing that goes high-low/compressed-high with the whole body ideally. The height may not matter as much as the pattern:
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The Turbo Encabulator series and Double Dragon IMO are the best moves ever compiled to work on the move.

But I didn't get them to make sense to my body without leveraging heavy things out because learning the balance and counterbalance against the arm swing. Sledgehammers finally started getting through to me. Still need to get my head and balance stacked up right, but it becomes really obvious when you're muscling up against a big hammer and not using gravity well to power the swing.
 




After playing around with my left-hand backhand I realized it seemed much easier to do minor form corrections than it is with my right-handed backhand, probably because of muscle memory and such. Super motivated to work on it because it feels like I'm starting fresh and my body is easier to manipulate from throw-to-throw in the field.

Already seeing about 360 feet with distance drivers, my goal is to be smooth with it and not create early bad habits.
 
Note how my arm/hammer are pulled straight back horizontal behind my and my elbow remains on horizontal plane going forward, so I'm making my elbow swing as long as possible pulled taut from my center and my head remains in braced tilt behind front foot. Your head is tilting over and elbow drops/slacks.
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Note how my arm/hammer are pulled straight back horizontal behind my and my elbow remains on horizontal plane going forward, so I'm making my elbow swing as long as possible pulled taut from my center and my head remains in braced tilt behind front foot. Your head is tilting over and elbow drops/slacks.
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Interesting that I'm doing the same things with the hammer (tilting my head over and also getting that high, bent reach back. It's funny now that I've started throwing left it looks like I have way less tendency to do those two things.

I'll try to get a few throws next time I can swing a hammer outside, maybe I'll try it lefty as well and see if there are any differences. I feel like the head/spine tilt is something I probably started doing once I developed my form trying to achieve maybe more tilt, nose down, or something like that, so whenever I try to change it it seems very ingrained. Do see any differences with those aspects of my form with the few lefty throws I posted?
 
If I understand the tilted spiral thingy correct I'd like to get closer to the posture here where my spine tilts inline with my brace, am I understanding it correctly?
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Chair swing: I think you need to relax your spine to more neutral like his:
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Might be easier to train the body feedback using a rod or pool cue or something where you can get the hands gripping more like his too.
 
Your upper spine/head is moving /tipping/swaying more than your lower spine moving underneath upper.

 
Your upper spine/head is moving /tipping/swaying more than your lower spine moving underneath upper.



So basically a narrower stance will help this?

I'm curious where in my chain does it first arise a fault thet make it hard to get the right braced tilt? Is my reachback and rear leg transition okay, and mostly just the way I brace that is the problem here?

Do I also get a tense back in my throw just I did with the swing drills?

Does my back look okay here in full reachback?

 

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You need to do the Pratt move to feel what the difference is.

You are rotating your whole body/spine too vertically back relative to the ground. Try the pratt drill. The bottom of your spine should also be swaying a bit toward and away from the target- the equivalent of what happens when you walk forward, but you probably do that naturally without thinking about it.


Watch the wireframes of videos of golfers in the 2nd and 3rd videos here if you can't visualize what we mean:

The Hips Thread 'The Hips'


It doesn't need to be large in your actual form, it just needs to be there.

I benefitted from both narrow and wider stances, then sought the feel when my feet were moving.
 
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The pratt drill:

1. What I think I do now (tipping over the brace to end up in balamce)

2. Trying to get the right tilt but too big stance to stay in balance

3. narrower stance and ending up with correct posture and balanced

 
3 was getting much closer. Maybe get just a bit deeper into it: you want to be able to stand it balance with the rear leg/knee collected all the way into the "plant" leg. Get all the way to reinforce the balance and feel.
 
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