Looking for advice to develop better form

[Brychanus]

I think there are a few ways - from there, I think I had the most success throwing narrow stance standstills, then worked on standstills with bigger strides.

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

Thank you, something like this? Trying to over exaggerate it

 

[Brychanus]

That's a better spine swing. If you do that same move, I would:

1. Take that rear elbow more directly in toward your hip. I think you may be trying to "punch down"
2. Your front elbow looks like it's also pointed too far down. The way people do practice pumps is usually a tell for what's about to go right or wrong in a swing.



Watch his elbows relative to posture here:

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

Thank you so much, My throwing elbow tends to get lazy throwing into a net. I tried to do the fixes, felt good. Feel like I’m getting more and more the feel for it.

 

[Brychanus]

Thank you so much, My throwing elbow tends to get lazy throwing into a net. I tried to do the fixes, felt good. Feel like I’m getting more and more the feel for it.

1. Rear elbow looks a bit better.
2. Throwing elbow is still not integrated with your posture. Almost everyone has some version of this problem.

Notice how the direction your elbow leads makes you hug yourself more than the disc - compare your shoulders to the alignment of your forearm. Simon and Sidewinder are hugging the disc more than hugging themselves. I will probably feel more like you're throwing "up" at first, then you can bring your posture down more aggressively toward the target. This can give you more "easy" swing power because it uses your entire body to help lead with the elbow without losing leverage, and is making better use of gravity.

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

1. Rear elbow looks a bit better.
2. Throwing elbow is still not integrated with your posture. Almost everyone has some version of this problem.

Notice how the direction your elbow leads makes you hug yourself more than the disc - compare your shoulders to the alignment of your forearm. Simon and Sidewinder are hugging the disc more than hugging themselves. I will probably feel more like you're throwing "up" at first, then you can bring your posture down more aggressively toward the target. This can give you more "easy" swing power because it uses your entire body to help lead with the elbow without losing leverage, and is making better use of gravity.

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Yes, that makes sense. I’m pretty sure I did this to try to throw flatter, but I’ll stop doing that and just let them go out hyzer for now and try to correct posture soon instead

 

[Brychanus]

Yes, that makes sense. I’m pretty sure I did this to try to throw flatter, but I’ll stop doing that and just let them go out hyzer for now and try to correct posture soon instead

Yep. The idea is that your arm should swing like that relative to your shoulders on any shot angle. Your posture just adjusts overall to achieve the desired release angle.



That is why it's so confusing sometimes, and can be hard to learn if you've done otherwise your whole DG life.

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

Yep. The idea is that your arm should swing like that relative to your shoulders on any shot angle. Your posture just adjusts overall to achieve the desired release angle.

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That is why it's so confusing sometimes, and can be hard to learn if you've done otherwise your whole DG life.

So what about players that do throw with a lot of forward shoulder tilt, like Eagle Mcmahon and still throws fairly flat, I know they still hyzerflip their flat shots but is not their arm angle much less "hyzer" then their shoulder angle?

 

[Brychanus]

So what about players that do throw with a lot of forward shoulder tilt, like Eagle Mcmahon and still throws fairly flat, I know they still hyzerflip their flat shots but is not their arm angle much less "hyzer" then their shoulder angle?

More posture adjustments and there are some stylistic/body type variables IMO, which I can point out. Both Eagle and Dickerson "preset" the aggressive shoulder lead when you watch their drives. Notice that both Eagle and Dickerson are maintaining the elbow lead relative to their posture as described above without the pocket collapsing. Pretty much all of the top MPO are shaping the shot with this move. Eagle does tend to be deeper into the tilt you're seeing than many players, and I think it's related to his crazy flexibility, shift, and rare "suitcase" grip. In a technical sense I think he is more "compressed" into the ground than most people at the frame I clipped below and is getting massive leverage off the ground from his plant leg- more than most players.

But what you need to look for is where the elbow is leading relative to the shoulder at all times. The upper arm can do a number of different things heading through the backswing, but the lower arm, forearm, and shoulder angle is all generally doing this by the time the body is shaping the arm into the pocket. Watch how Eagle's initial pump with the elbow still goes slightly "up", as does the plane of his elbow going into follow through.

 

[Brychanus]

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

Focusing on correct spine angle

 

[sidewinder22]

You are not quite getting the Ride the Bull move correct. Note how your head actually swayed backward and your chest is not swiveling forward into the finish.

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

Still working on posture





How’s this? Less lean into the throw at least?

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

Here’s a recent one, really getting my left knee and arm quickly jammed into my right side to help with the correct spine angle, how’s this?

 

[sidewinder22]

Well you have the issue RH and LH.

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

Well you have the issue RH and LH.
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Work on inside swing drill?

I do throw on some hyzer here, I guess a little more lean forward is natural but this is too much?

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

Still working on posture, tilted spiral, inside swing and butt wipe, any improvements?

 

[sidewinder22]

Your head is tipping over and your elbow is being pulling down and into your body.
My head is moving back inside while my elbow is centrifugally being pulled up and out away from body like ball on string.

 

[Thediscgolferguy]

A little field work session after some weeks break from disc golf

 

[sidewinder22]

Looks like your spine might be in extension.
Work on Door Frame Drills, leveraging your hips targetward while your shoulders get pulled taut further back.