Pete with an interesting way to stop shoulder collapse

[itlnstln]

People focus way to much on "fixing" their upper body issues with their upper body.

When I'm off, it's usually because I'm running up too aggressively and taking too long of a final step. Basically, I'm trying to use my lower body to overthrow the disc. Slowing my legs down tends to get everything back in sync

 

[itlnstln]

When I'm off, it's usually because I'm running up too aggressively and taking too long of a final step. Basically, I'm trying to use my lower body to overthrow the disc. Slowing my legs down tends to get everything back in sync

Additionally, if there -is- and upper body problem, it's usually that I'm gripping the disc too tightly and losing the feeling of the weight of the disc. I fixed this on my putts and the difference was night and day. I haven't quite gotten there on my backhand consistently, but I'm also battling a bunch of other bad habits

 

[Nick Carroll]

This has been a good series by Pete. Already the third video out and I like how he starts to tie what's going on with the lower body, and how it affects the upper body.


One thing I like about the third one is changing up the X-Step itself to evoke change upstream.

 

[itlnstln]

This has been a good series by Pete. Already the third video out and I like how he starts to tie what's going on with the lower body, and how it affects the upper body.


One thing I like about the third one is changing up the X-Step itself to evoke change upstream.

Agreed. This is solid stuff, especially his focus on natural locomotion. None of this is super new, particularly for this group, but it's refreshing to see a pro talk about these aspects of the throw

 

[Nick Carroll]

Agreed. This is solid stuff, especially his focus on natural locomotion. None of this is super new, particularly for this group, but it's refreshing to see a pro talk about these aspects of the throw

True. And I think the way he explains it is important, and these are great videos to let people who are starting to work on their form. They can bypass a lot of grief with some good training early on.

 

[Sheep]

Yeah, Pete does a good job. It's not overblown production for attention. he just throws it out there.

 

[Sheep]

I finally got to the second and 3rd video's.

The 2nd video is pretty interesting, because its a good way to explore your body movements.

I have some caveats I could throw on top of it that relate to hip movement, but overall for your general golfer, that was great way to feel how your foot positions can impact your bodies ability to move.

The 3rd video was a lot of put it together stuff, nothing to crazy that I can remember off the top of my head.

But, he really pushes the tight x-step.
And he really pushes a good sway motion swing. Which is good. It helps with rhythmic timing.

It's why I like sidewinders elephant walk. its so clumsy and silly, but it helps you understand.

 

[sidewinder22]

Correction to Pete on how to throw further, around 8-9 min in part 3, it's not just about picking up the pace/tempo, it's more about leaning/tilting more aggressively toward the target like running vs walking. You lean/tilt more aggressively to get moving faster via gravity and you catch yourself and perpetuate the motion.

 

[Brychanus]

Correction to Pete on how to throw further, around 8-9 min in part 3, it's not just about picking up the pace/tempo, it's more about leaning/tilting more aggressively toward the target like running vs walking. You lean/tilt more aggressively to get moving faster via gravity and you catch yourself and perpetuate the motion.

Why do you think these concepts are so much less emphasized in general elsewhere?

Maybe because people who naturally learn to throw far tend to lean or tilt more aggressively as part of the motion without explicitly/consciously learning it?

 

[Sheep]

Why do you think these concepts are so much less emphasized in general elsewhere?

Maybe because people who naturally learn to throw far tend to lean or tilt more aggressively as part of the motion without explicitly/consciously learning it?

A lot of people who learn to throw far accidentally come upon it or are naturally gifted.

They honestly have no idea how they throw far, that's why I scream about not listening to them.

 

[drk_evns]

A lot of people who learn to throw far accidentally come upon it or are naturally gifted.

They honestly have no idea how they throw far, that's why I scream about not listening to them.

There's a simplicity to a good throw that, for me at least, takes away the need to endlessly study or examine how it's done. Or discuss it. Or scream about it.

 

[Sheep]

There's a simplicity to a good throw that, for me at least, takes away the need to endlessly study or examine how it's done. Or discuss it. Or scream about it.

I like to know as much as I can know so I can help others.

But overall, it *is* simple. And we tend to overcomplicate things way to much when we talk about technique.

When we help someone throw, it should be "here is the basic motions."
Let them do it.
Then look for the little details to fix. If you throw them in the weeds they will never find their way out.

All the fancy words and the this and that, it's not for the students or others talking with you. It's for your own ego as you try and inflate it larger.

People can hate my attitude all they want, but I'm not here to inflate my ego or wave my dick around. And while I say a lot, I'm trying to talk in a way that anyone can read and comprehend. Not just throwing big words around to make myself look big.

Thats why I love content like pete is doing here, just keep it simple stupid.
Thats why I get along with Jaani so well. I was getting lost in the weeds and he's like "bro, stop."
And I've learned more since then.

 

[Sewer bill]

A lot of people who learn to throw far accidentally come upon it or are naturally gifted.

They honestly have no idea how they throw far, that's why I scream about not listening to them.

I definitely learned it accidentally but had far throwing people to reference along the way.

Beto drill and grainy usdgc distance footage and that discraft video on the ski slope were basically all that was out there for online resources.

 

[Tim R]

Even spin and throw methods of throwing. When I teach new players I honestly teach them spin and throw, from the waste, and dont collapse the shoulder.

A little off thread, but............(and I added the bolding)........

You've mentioned this several times. Can you go into that in an little more depth? Have you ever done a video segment on that?

Thanks

 

[Sheep]

A little off thread, but............(and I added the bolding)........

You've mentioned this several times. Can you go into that in an little more depth? Have you ever done a video segment on that?

Thanks

I've never done a spin and throw video.

So, spin and throw was a methodology started by some guy. I forget who. He kind of got ran off because he taught it like the end all of disc golf and the only way to throw.

Essentially spin and throw is were trying to focus on some core arm mechanics and essentially throw/spin our body to activate the arm.

This isn't a braced throw, its a forced rotational throw.
You can do it with really low impact, low body strain. So for a beginner learning to golf, this is great. They will be able to throw a decent distance to have fun, control the disc and if they want to build from there, they are feeling the rotation and they are already working on good arm mechanics.

I teach it as the "noodle arm" technique.
Josh used to teach it as twirly bird. I have no idea what he's on now, cause he comes up with good shit, then suddenly is like "oh no i was wrong." like. no dude, you were right. you just didn't explain it well. whatever.

So, if what I teach really spin and throw?
No, not exactly, but the core of it is spin to throw.

When we start to add power and try and actually get more into a proper disc golf swing, we work on resisting the rotation with the body to drive more power into the throw. When we just "spin" we loose a lot of power.

 

[Nick Pacific]

I definitely learned it accidentally but had far throwing people to reference along the way.

Beto drill and grainy usdgc distance footage and that discraft video on the ski slope were basically all that was out there for online resources.

That "ski slope" was actually the Toboggan course. Pretty sure that was hole 14 they were throwing up on too. Great MPO hole but they made a terrible FPO hole out of it by having the basket at the bottom. They should just throw from the old amateur tee up the hill, then throw hole 15 down the hill as it was intended - nothing wrong with having a soft par 5 for them there, and who knows, might even see an eagle out of one of the big guns.

 

[Sheep]

That "ski slope" was actually the Toboggan course. Pretty sure that was hole 14 they were throwing up on too. Great MPO hole but they made a terrible FPO hole out of it by having the basket at the bottom. They should just throw from the old amateur tee up the hill, then throw hole 15 down the hill as it was intended - nothing wrong with having a soft par 5 for them there, and who knows, might even see an eagle out of one of the big guns.

He's talking about 15 year old video's.
They used to throw on one of the back toboggan holes cause it had 900 foot of distance available or something. They did a bunch of distance video's for learnings back there.

I don't think they have ever put the FPO basket at the bottom of that one.



here is the hole.

 

[Nick Pacific]

He's talking about 15 year old video's.
They used to throw on one of the back toboggan holes cause it had 900 foot of distance available or something. They did a bunch of distance video's for learnings back there.

I don't think they have ever put the FPO basket at the bottom

here is the hole.

That's hole 14, and the FPO pin is now at the bottom of the hill, annoyingly so. They throw from the new MPO tee which is back in the woods, and the pin is pretty much where that rubber tee in the video is. I know the course well - I live in the area and play it every year it's open. That rubber tee pad they're throwing from is the old amateur tee I'm talking about, and it's cement now too. I'd have them throw from there, up the hill to the basket as the hole is intended. Play 15 same as the men, it's just a par 5 for them, or perhaps a shorter pin placement if they want to get picky about it.

 

[Sheep]

That's hole 14, and the FPO pin is now at the bottom of the hill, annoyingly so. They throw from the new MPO tee which is back in the woods, and the pin is pretty much where that rubber tee in the video is. I know the course well - I live in the area and play it every year it's open. That rubber tee pad they're throwing from is the old amateur tee I'm talking about, and it's cement now too. I'd have them throw from there, up the hill to the basket as the hole is intended. Play 15 same as the men, it's just a par 5 for them, or perhaps a shorter pin placement if they want to get picky about it.

I stand corrected.
To many this and that course conversations going on in my head, and I got confused and dumb.

I didn't know they moved the FPO to the bottom of the hill though, so lame.

 

[Nick Pacific]

I stand corrected.
To many this and that course conversations going on in my head, and I got confused and dumb.

I didn't know they moved the FPO to the bottom of the hill though, so lame.

Super lame - it's by far the worst hole on the whole property for either layout. It's unbecoming for such an otherwise elite level course. I think it was just an oversight at first and somehow they've stubbornly stuck with it. The annoying part is that changing it would be simple - there is already a teepad and a pin to use, just do it. I'm thinking that perhaps there is camera setup and equipment back in the woods were the tee is now and it's simply easier to catch both FPO and MPO as they come through? Have no idea. Probably something along those lines.