Rick’s super simple 500’ throw

[seedlings]

Check out this easy 500'er. Practicing Jones Gold for Workds, at this time stamp Ricky says all you need is a 500' throw, then throws and says that's exactly what he wanted.

http://youtu.be/069CwYz5pXQ?t=509

Here's the throw:


Moderately slow and short walk up. Moderate body movement. Was this really 500'? Rick seems like he puts in the least effort for most return on the throw. Efficient. Mind blown. Seems like literally anyone should throw 500'.

 

[Sheep]

I've watched him throw 650 in person on a practice round down a tunnel. He's absolutely insane.

He generates a lot of snap at the end of his kinetic chain. he's got something figured out that most of us are missing.

 

[RowingBoats]

I've watched him throw 650 in person on a practice round down a tunnel. He's absolutely insane.

He generates a lot of snap at the end of his kinetic chain. he's got something figured out that most of us are missing.

Its called a bucket hat.

 

[kevdiv48]

I've watched him throw 650 in person on a practice round down a tunnel. He's absolutely insane.

He generates a lot of snap at the end of his kinetic chain. he's got something figured out that most of us are missing.

Agreed with the bolded. He loads late and unloads incredibly smooth. Contrast to someone like Drew Gibson that loads up slow and smooth but unloads violently.

 

[Sheep]

https://youtu.be/bZ3xodqrrNE?t=893

Reference for ya'll.

I wish I was recording when he did it.

He used every inch of the fairway, and there isn't that much.


Ricky used to be like a cardboard box for a personality.
But he's opened up a lot, and he was a ton of fun to hang out with.

Of course didn't know till later that he was staying 1 mile from my house too. hahaha
Not really near anyone sorta thing, but there is a guy with a course here that doesn't let anyone play his course. And ricky stays over there, and I can walk to the guys house.

 

[seedlings]

https://youtu.be/bZ3xodqrrNE?t=893

Reference for ya'll.

I wish I was recording when he did it.

He used every inch of the fairway, and there isn't that much.


Ricky used to be like a cardboard box for a personality.
But he's opened up a lot, and he was a ton of fun to hang out with.

Of course didn't know till later that he was staying 1 mile from my house too. hahaha
Not really near anyone sorta thing, but there is a guy with a course here that doesn't let anyone play his course. And ricky stays over there, and I can walk to the guys house.

Not Rick, but good throw.

 

[BryanC]

Not Rick, but good throw.

I'm pretty sure he knows that's not Rick. He posted that to show the hole that he saw Ricky throw 650' on.

 

[seedlings]

I'm pretty sure he knows that's not Rick. He posted that to show the hole that he saw Ricky throw 650' on.

I am slow to the party :doh:

 

[dekdo]

good timing and a lot of spin. Check out simons video on distances at certain mph

 

[sidewinder22]

Check out this easy 500'er. Practicing Jones Gold for Workds, at this time stamp Ricky says all you need is a 500' throw, then throws and says that's exactly what he wanted.


Moderately slow and short walk up. Moderate body movement. Was this really 500'? Rick seems like he puts in the least effort for most return on the throw. Efficient. Mind blown. Seems like literally anyone should throw 500'.

Efficient yes, but he hops a bit distance down the pad, so he has to have a decent amount of speed there. Also helps to be 6'4"and young and athletic and playing/practicing everyday for decade.

I've had some of my longest drives a few holes doing my Rick form impersonation.

 

[seedlings]

helps to be 6'4"and young and athletic

I think I'm going to start working on this part of my game. Especially since I've been putting reps into my ability to get lucky breaks for a while now without any tangible benefit.

 

[SocraDeez]

and a lot of spin.

This is a myth. A certain amount of spin relative to velocity is needed for stable flight paths, but extra spin does not create extra distance beyond that. Spin relative to velocity is sometimes called the advance ratio. Advance ratio threshold for stable flight paths - i.e. optimal spin rate relative to velocity - changes with disc geometry and probably angle of attack (nose angle relative to air flow).

Check out simons video on distances at certain mph

Simpsons already did a video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HQt_kIk3-U

Moderately slow and short walk up. Moderate body movement.

Move slow. Move fast. Big boy power lives beneath the grass. Check out Rick's rear leg load here. His front foot is still off the ground at this point. Absolutely disgusting.

 

[gwsmallwood]

Rick and Matty O have some similarities to their form, at least their arm motions. seems like they both keep those elbows up and get a lot of wrist curl. It's almost like they get their entire arm curled around the disc, pushing it deep into the power pocket before unraveling it, which seems to give them tremendous spin.

It also seems like his hand stays on top of the disc more than a lot of other players. Sort of like Philo. A lot of the extremely smooth players seem to have that in common (Ricky, Philo, Seppo). Sort of that deep flight plate grip with more of your thumb base on top of the disc. I've experimented with that in the past, and I found I definitely got more spin, but I have smallish hands, so it basically forced me into a power grip, which hurt my accuracy. With my small hands, there's a delicate balance between power and spin with my hand placement.

 

[HyzerUniBomber]

Ricky gets a huge ejection multiplier in his extension. Makes it looks so casual because it all accelerates in the last 2-3 frames.

I measured the distance of the disc per frame - and it really shows where the speed multiplier starts to hit and why it's so important to move slow enough through the motion that you can maintain control of the disc through the redirection acceleration.

Full size image: https://i.imgur.com/uT2GXd7.jpg

 

[RowingBoats]

Ricky gets a huge ejection multiplier in his extension. Makes it looks so casual because it all accelerates in the last 2-3 frames.

I measured the distance of the disc per frame - and it really shows where the speed multiplier starts to hit and why it's so important to move slow enough through the motion that you can maintain control of the disc through the redirection acceleration.

Ya, that is what I see too. Ricky looks like he waits until the last possible moment to explode.

 

[sidewinder22]

Rick seems like his elbows up and get a lot of wrist curl. It's almost like they get their entire arm curled around the disc, pushing it deep into the power pocket before unraveling it, which seems to give them tremendous spin.

Rick takes all the curl/slack out of his wrist(steering the wheel) when he starts forward and then it's like lightening fast with everything pulled taut and springy. I don't think Rick's technique puts more spin on the disc. Rick puts elite speed/mph on the disc.

 

[sidewinder22]

Matty O definitely has a more snap/wide rail based technique that will tend to put more spin on it vs speed.

 

[SocraDeez]

Rick puts elite speed/mph on the disc.

Totally agree. I don't understand the fascination with spin here at times.

Fast is fast, baby. In the immortal words of Al Davis, "Speed kills."

 

[Brychanus]

This is a myth. A certain amount of spin relative to velocity is needed for stable flight paths, but extra spin does not create extra distance beyond that. Spin relative to velocity is sometimes called the advance ratio. Advance ratio threshold for stable flight paths - i.e. optimal spin rate relative to velocity - changes with disc geometry and probably angle of attack (nose angle relative to air flow).

The only person I hear invoked specifically on the distance a la spin speed and velocity argument that makes me pause is GG. The argument there is that he can throw understable plastic so far because of the spin he delivers on the disc to stabilize the HSS portion of the flight, which is how he gets 600-650' at ~74mph ejection speed (which is obviously still very high - people like Barela or Eagle tend to mash like 80mph to hit that range albeit with more OS plastic). I'm not entirely convinced the spin argument is the answer without data. I think it's consistent with what you say here in the sense that GG is optimizing the stable flight path for US plastic. But I still don't know what to think about it so thought I'd raise it so you and others can chime in.

Simpsons already did a video on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HQt_kIk3-U

lol

Move slow. Move fast. Big boy power lives beneath the grass. Check out Rick's rear leg load here. His front foot is still off the ground at this point. Absolutely disgusting.

That is bonkers. When I load my drive leg properly, sometimes I feel like I'm up on my tippy toes, but on camera my heels are basically hugging the ground.

 

[Brychanus]

Rick takes all the curl/slack out of his wrist(steering the wheel) when he starts forward and then it's like lightening fast with everything pulled taut and springy. I don't think Rick's technique puts more spin on the disc. Rick puts elite speed/mph on the disc.

As you've seen I'm (re)discovering, any time there is slack in the wrist from roughly this point forward in the swing, the disc usually curls too far forward into the pocket during the redirection and vents force somewhere. You can still kinda yeet one out after that but there's nowhere near as much easy power.