Tech disc test driven development

Timestamps have a section explaining the grip but it's like a modified fan grip but then pull the middle two fingers in closer to the rim and then a lot of upward grip pressure on those middle two fingers clamping the disc into the thumb meat.

My normal grip already has some of this clamp but it was like 20% clamp and 80% pulling in on the rim and now this is like 70% of the pressure is now focused on the clamp part.

blitz dg mentioned it. I also had heard Pete or Paul Ulibarri mention that upwards finger pressure in some video but they didn't emphasize doing that part with high grip pressure, IIRC.


Just wanted to say thanks for posting this & congrats on the elusive 70mph :)

I'm curious how this experiment would play out across people/interact with the rest of the move & hope they discuss anything they find.
 
Neil,

Saw your videos working with Nick. Suggestion about the elbow dip issue - what helps me avoid that/fix that issue - was to think about what time your release point is on the imaginary clock. If 12 o'clock is straight ahead from the teepad, I like to think of my release to be at 10 o'clock.

If you're dipping that elbow, your invariably going to pull the disc inward and collapse the shoulder, and your release point will be 12 o'clock or even later in the 1 - 2 o'clock range. If you really think about your release at 10 o'clock, this is a great drill to keep that disc away from pulling inward too much and collapsing the elbow and inevitably the entire shoulder and hit point.

Someone on this board said that if you think about releasing the disc at 10 o'clock, it will help fix a number of collapse issues, and I think they're right. I noticed that I got an initial slight bump in distance almost immediately/same day when I started doing that.

I think that paddle drill you were doing was awesome, and Nick's form looked to be immediately better when doing that.

On a disc tech related note, I did hit 60 mph, which ain't bad. I hit 57 mph with my off hand which I've been told is really good. I've still got some rounding issues and bracing issues that I can clean up so room for improvement for sure - I see no reason why 70 mph isn't in my future.
 
Neil,

Saw your videos working with Nick. Suggestion about the elbow dip issue - what helps me avoid that/fix that issue - was to think about what time your release point is on the imaginary clock. If 12 o'clock is straight ahead from the teepad, I like to think of my release to be at 10 o'clock.

The usual ground level videos leave the impression the arm is straight at release point, which would lead a swing thinker to release at 9 o'clock. (and a straight pull thinker at 12 o'clock.) If motion is on an arc, velocity direction is the tangent to the arc.

But some of the overhead videos look different to me. They look like the upper arm is at 1030 and the lower arm is at 9:00. That actually makes a lot of sense. Maybe.
 
The usual ground level videos leave the impression the arm is straight at release point, which would lead a swing thinker to release at 9 o'clock. (and a straight pull thinker at 12 o'clock.) If motion is on an arc, velocity direction is the tangent to the arc.

But some of the overhead videos look different to me. They look like the upper arm is at 1030 and the lower arm is at 9:00. That actually makes a lot of sense. Maybe.
Take a look at the below. Looks to be about 10 o'clock. Again, no reason to get over analytical with it - it's just a drill to help reinforce the idea to NOT pull the disc in and over tight, but actually that the disc shoots out almost in a sort of perpendicular fashion.

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Leverage and centrifugal force are sideways - another great Sidewinder thread that got me thinking about this

 
Neil,

Saw your videos working with Nick. Suggestion about the elbow dip issue - what helps me avoid that/fix that issue - was to think about what time your release point is on the imaginary clock. If 12 o'clock is straight ahead from the teepad, I like to think of my release to be at 10 o'clock.

If you're dipping that elbow, your invariably going to pull the disc inward and collapse the shoulder, and your release point will be 12 o'clock or even later in the 1 - 2 o'clock range. If you really think about your release at 10 o'clock, this is a great drill to keep that disc away from pulling inward too much and collapsing the elbow and inevitably the entire shoulder and hit point.

Someone on this board said that if you think about releasing the disc at 10 o'clock, it will help fix a number of collapse issues, and I think they're right. I noticed that I got an initial slight bump in distance almost immediately/same day when I started doing that.

I think that paddle drill you were doing was awesome, and Nick's form looked to be immediately better when doing that.

On a disc tech related note, I did hit 60 mph, which ain't bad. I hit 57 mph with my off hand which I've been told is really good. I've still got some rounding issues and bracing issues that I can clean up so room for improvement for sure - I see no reason why 70 mph isn't in my future.
Congrats on the 60. I've had many throws that were 65 mph, that didn't feel very different from my 70 mph throw. I think it was mostly just timing combined with a strong final grip.

Sounds like thinking more directly about the release being between 10 and 11 might create more outward swing temptations which is what I focused on with nick last time and was successful but I didn't specifically tell him to focus on the release point but put a disc down near 9 o clock and told him to try to swing outwards towards it and push the elbow further out towards it.
 
I bought one of these things: PRE-ORDER (est. 3/24) Hyzerline® Disc Golf Trainer — Hyzerline Disc Golf

Saw a spot for it in the Memorial coverage. It's exactly what it looks like: a disc with a parachute. The idea is that it only travels about 30-50' for warm up, training, etc. Instead of throwing into a net, you get a bit of flight to get a sense of the trajectory of the shot. To me adding a tech Disc or Game Proofer to something like this would be ideal

So pumped to try it out. Might be a while before it arrives
 
Would be nice for practice in winter as you dont have to take a whole net out into a dark park, but just this small thing. However I would be worried about the rope and how much it plays into your throwing habits. Maybe it is like practicing in a small space with a net where you move differently because the space is so cramped and you eventually bake some bad habits into your form instead of improving.
 
Would be nice for practice in winter as you dont have to take a whole net out into a dark park, but just this small thing. However I would be worried about the rope and how much it plays into your throwing habits. Maybe it is like practicing in a small space with a net where you move differently because the space is so cramped and you eventually bake some bad habits into your form instead of improving.
I'm hoping the small amount of flight provides enough feedback to prevent developing bad habits. AB was throwing it, and while he has way more power than I ever will, it kind of hangs in the air a bit. It doesn't just fall to the ground; it's almost as if it does a short, full flight instead of hitting a wall like a net. There's also a 100' rope if you want a longer flight.

I'm mostly interested in using it for warm up, especially when there's not a ton space to throw. Most courses around me don't have a field nearby to warm up. I also live in the city where parks aren't large enough to throw (and they're crowded with people and their dogs who think all green spaces belong to them - I love where I live, but people's dog entitlement is fucking insane)
 
I bought one of these things: PRE-ORDER (est. 3/24) Hyzerline® Disc Golf Trainer — Hyzerline Disc Golf

Saw a spot for it in the Memorial coverage. It's exactly what it looks like: a disc with a parachute. The idea is that it only travels about 30-50' for warm up, training, etc. Instead of throwing into a net, you get a bit of flight to get a sense of the trajectory of the shot. To me adding a tech Disc or Game Proofer to something like this would be ideal

So pumped to try it out. Might be a while before it arrives
 
The Hyzerline came in today. Looks solid. The disc is generic (no tooling), but it's a nice Champ Teebird clone; a little on the domey side. It comes with both the 50' and 100' lines and a tote bag. Swanky

Excited to try it, but the weather is going to be cold and shitty for the next week so I may not be able to get out for a bit

I'll start a separate thread as to not further pollute this one
 

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The Hyzerline came in today. Looks solid. The disc is generic (no tooling), but it's a nice Champ Teebird clone; a little on the domey side. It comes with both the 50' and 100' lines and a tote bag. Swanky

Excited to try it, but the weather is going to be cold and shitty for the next week so I may not be able to get out for a bit

I'll start a separate thread as to not further pollute this one
Sounds like I need one, I just lost a nice turn in a wide open field because I kept throwing at dusk for form practice.
 
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