I suspect most current players know The Champ just as well as they do Billy Crump.
The Inevitable 2025 Pros Switching Sponsors Thread
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Why is he so MIA (Crump that is)?
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Speaking of the Nature Boy, someone on here still has my Clash at Renny DVD from 2010 and I want it back
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Hell, I don't even know who the ____ Billy Crump is, so I guess Climo's got at least a bit moar name recognition.
Incredible as his reign was, I just don't see building a brand around Climo simply because he's just not relevant any more
McBeth's lucky he sweetened his pot with Discraft when he did, because the last couple of years, he's even starting to become less relevant. Sure, he's still touring and getting some nice wins, but he's nowhere near the dominant player he was when he resigned with Discraft for $10 million over 10 years. No way they make that deal today.
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McBeth still has a following, he just had an injury and a baby disrupt his competitiveness.
Discraft has a couple Major wins from their touring roster that they didn't seem to get a bump in popularity/sales out of the past 2 years. Maybe McBeth/Cease could host a pre-season/pre-All stars invitational event of some kind w/ all their Major winning team members (incl Am, Jr, Masters) to highlight their individual histories. I think he invited folks down to FL for pre-season Discraft promotional stuff last year?
I expect a bit more competition in '25 from McBeth, McMahon, Lizotte, and Heimburg after a slight down season from each of them (injury limitations and reduced travel schedules).
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Absolute GOAT of discgolf commentary. He was the voice of the early discgolf DVD stuff from 2000 era through 2012ish or so? What a bummer to hear that he started having heart issues just as the sport started gaining notoriety. He'd be a staple and a household name in discgolf today and probably the main guy on DGN had his health not taken a nosedive.Hell, I don't even know who the ____ Billy Crump is, so I guess Climo's got at least a bit moar name recognition.
I made the Clash video for 2010 Am Worlds. He filmed the MA1 A pool at Hedges Boyer in Tiffin. I had absolutely NO business being there, but those tourneys didn't fill back then, and it was close to home.
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Best offseason ever for entertainment value - and that was before Climo bailed! DiscGolfWorld for inside info and BergNerd for the laughs.
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Can't help it, I'm a gossip. DGWorld may be the TMZ of discin', but TMZ is also right sometimes.
TL;DR - sounds like HoD is about to break a contract (or two) with a top 10-15 ranked player with years left on the deal.
TL;DR - sounds like HoD is about to break a contract (or two) with a top 10-15 ranked player with years left on the deal.
One thing I disagree with in this video is how they perceive HoD as a singular company. Companies don't work this way, especially those formed out of acquisition. Those brands/banners/etc. typically operate as silos within the company. If DD is struggling, you don't take money generated from, say, Kastaplast to prop up DD; you'd fold them or sell them off. You'd then take the money from the sale or cost savings from folding and invest it in the thriving parts of the business
It would seem based on team success, that DM and probably Latitude are doing the best of the lot (that, and that they're European companies, they're benefiting from the growth of DG in Europe). If those companies are doing well and DD is underwater, I could easily see DD folding and their best molds popping up in the other brands' rosters under new names. Totally hypothetical, of course, but I think that's far more plausible than a complete collapse of HoD
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HoD is owned by an investment firm. If it stops making money, they will drop it like a penny stock. If not, they aren't "maximizing shareholder value" and will get replaced by someone on the board who will cut those losses.
House of Discs is the owner of all those brands though.
I'm sure they have set budgets for everything as a whole.
Based on that video and rumors, it seems that Kyle Klein and Matty O. are going to be dropped mid contract.
Potentially Ricky too.
I'm sure they have set budgets for everything as a whole.
Based on that video and rumors, it seems that Kyle Klein and Matty O. are going to be dropped mid contract.
Potentially Ricky too.
That's true. If all, or most, of the verticals (i.e. brands) are underperforming, HoD as a whole suffers and can potentially go under. Usually, the different pillars of a business have their own budgets they operate with.
As as hypothetical, if I were running, say, Amazon, and I have OG Amazon, AWS, and Amazon Fresh as my lines of business (LoBs), each of those LoBs have an org structure and a certain operating budget. If I open up a bunch of Amazon Fresh stores and no one ever shops there, I would fold that LoB and allocate any budget to the OG site and AWS. I may also want to reserve that budget and open up a new venture, like Amazon Devices to make things like the Kindle or Fire TV, etc..
These companies inside the parent also operate somewhat independently. So in this hypothetical, if I want to sell Amazon Devices products the OG Amazon site, those two entities need to work out a deal as if Apple or LG want to sell things on Amazon.
This does a couple of things:
1. Accounting is a lot cleaner and much easier to comply with regs like Sarbanes-Oxley (SOX), but also...
2. Keeps the entities isolated so that if they do poorly, they can be folded/sold OR if they do particularly well, they can be spun off to avoid things like anti-trust regs (like Amazon spinning off AWS, or Alphabet parenting Google, Nest, etc.)
What you wouldn't see in the case of HoD is the parent HoD taking money from one entity, say, Discmania, and using it to prop up DD. That's both not-great-business but can also violate things like SOX (this is how Enron got in trouble - spinning off debt to shell companies, propping up entities from other, successful entities, and so on)
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If any of the HOD pillars falls it will be Westside imo. May not be limited to only Westside, but that would be the first domino since Lat64 and DD bought out Westside in 2017. You might see Lat64 and DD rename popular molds and release them under their own umbrella since they already own the molds and IP anyways. I see Kastaplast as slightly more at risk than DD but only slightly, and only because Kasta is in a very similar situation to Westside structurally. I could see a world where Lat 64 is the Euro market (am focused) division, DD is the US market division (am focused), and Discmania is the Euro and US (premium advanced player focused) division and the other brands are folded, or some combination of the above. On the pro sponsorship side, I expect we also see them only value one or two outright player sponsorships and shrink teams considerably. Prioritizing players that have a following and can drive the marketing needle.
This is right on. Another option to what I outline above is that they get rid of the individual entities and they use the brand names as just that. One company with a HoD team with a bunch of product lines named after the brands
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I think how tariffs will shake out once Trump's administration is settled in could be delaying some decisions. For example, I don't believe HoD currently has production in the U.S. If the cost for shipping to U.S. from Lat 64 to DD goes up, do they start or acquire production in the U.S. or...
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Gallows humor for now, will be less funny once top 20 players have to stop touring.
Yeah it's unclear whether a player's endorsement meaningfully drives disc sales, outside of say McBeth and Lizotte. Makes sense for companies to cut dead weight and become more efficient.
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Ken Climo to Ink Deal with Discraft After Shock Innova Departure - Ultiworld Disc Golf
The Champ will earn at least $200,000 a year in his new endorsement deal.
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