Would love some form help

[Norumern]

Heres a video of me throwing 6 different times, 3 from behind and 3 from the side.
Im currently working on shortening my xstep and trying to keep my left foot more faced forward during the xstep.
Other things i think i am doing wrong but have been unable to find solutions for is coiling too early, head position and reaching too far behind myself.

My current metrics are 65ish mph, 1000-1300 spin ( varies alot ) and im able to throw 120-130 meters kinda consistantly. Putters go 80-100m and mids somewhere in between.
Generally throw 4-5 degrees nose up according to techdisc.

 

[Brychanus]

In your X-step you are getting your pelvis entirely closed off from the target, which means that you then need to rotate it all the way back around to commit the shot.

Instead you need to make it function more like walking, running, or hopping more "sideways" balanced briefly on it.

Fundamentally it should be more like these than what you are doing. Try the drills then see if you can convince your body to do it in x-step. Should feel more quick and dynamic and ideally more natural than what you are doing there.

 

[sidewinder22]

1. You look like a mechanical robot in the x-step instead of being more natural and fluid. You hold your elbow up very high in backswing, only to drop it down during the swing(this is not bad - I would just start lower to begin with like Simon, relax and let the arm/shoulder hang down). Your pelvis should be closed going into the x-step so that it is effortless to step behind with the pelvis already turned back out of the way. Don't try to force yourself to stay too open going into the x-step, that will lead to being too rotational with the x-step itself. Watch Simon in the slow x-step below, his rear foot plants almost backwards, so he not trying to keep that foot perpendicular at all even at slow speed.

2. You are too upright and have zero right side bend of the spine in backswing.

3. You are opening up your front side, shifting from in front, instead of shifting from behind you. Try to turn your front foot/pelvis back going into the plant.







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[Norumern]

Thanks for the feedback, I'll get to working on it.
The reason I hold my elbow up very high is that I've had an issue with a very low swingplane which I mostly fixed by presetting it high.

Being too upright is something I started doing because I've been throwing on way too much hyzer all the time, this helped a bit but its still a prevalent issue for me.

Here a sideshot from a few months ago for context

 

[Brychanus]

Former robot here:

Jump/bounce/hop around, get loose, let your butt wiggle a little before you set up. You do have a bit of that rigidity overall because you are so focused on trying to make your body hit your idea of what the right sweet spots are. But instead you are overcontrolled hitting the wrong sweet spots, which is a vicious cycle.

Not sure if you're using swing plane the same way I do, but you will have more control over your swing planes and arm slots when you learn to control your overall body better even if you prefer one slot.

If you don't find side bend you'll just compensate for it. It's a fundamental part of loading the oblique slings and controlling your overall posture. I throw standing pretty upright but with side bend. GG mostly moves upright but with sidebend. You should also be able to throw flattish and anhyzer with sidebend, but most people learn to manipulate it better on hyzer (especially adults).

You can also try this (notice how loose and bouncy he is!) then bring it back more upright if you prefer. But you need the side bend regardless. I am often pretty stiff in a few spots before I start throwing and use this among other drills to limber up and get my body into the right mode and chain.

To my knowledge Sidewinder remains one of the only people who consistently uses the shift from behind concept. IMHO he is correct, but people get constantly confused about it. Watch the vids, look for it in every pro (they all do it), etc. It's a postural point about how the body and anatomy are set up as you transition into the weight shift onto the plant leg.

E.g., here is Simon setting up the shift from behind in the stillframe from one of the videos above. Unless you've moved in this direction in athletic posture before it will likely take a while to fix as an adult. The arrows are an attempt to help you see how his anatomy is closed off relative to the intended trajectory. "Shifting from the front" is doing the opposite (which you don't want!).



Every single person here is doing their version of it:

 

[Norumern]

Did some practice today, trying to be more loose and natural (not forcing myself so upright)
Didnt focus too much on footwork but I tried thinking more sideways instead of backwards, also doing more of a front armpump during the xstep which felt like it improved my timing.

I think this definately felt faster for throwing, but I'm throwing at a 20 degree hyzer angle and it seems my swingplane is rather low and swoopy.

Heres a set of side and backviews of some throws, didnt bother cutting it this time.





Also the stats for my last 20ish throws from techdisc if anyone cares about the data.

 

[Norumern]

Been putting in some work, still got a ways to go.
I think I cleaned up some of the points, but can still improve on most things.
Also not sure I understand what you mean by the "shift from behind" concept.

Video for reference:

 

[sidewinder22]

Your feet are pointed way out in immoveable horse stance and so you tip/throw your upper body way back and forth over the top of your lower body instead of tilting inside posture with lower body catching upper body. You have to release with the disc nose up to compensate for your upper body coming down over top your brace.

Swinging upward nose down.

Ezra giving a good tip or demonstration of swinging downward nose up vs swinging upward nose down. l_ajpOY3Ohs

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[Norumern]

Your feet are pointed way out in immoveable horse stance and so you tip/throw your upper body way back and forth over the top of your lower body instead of tilting inside posture with lower body catching upper body. You have to release with the disc nose up to compensate for your upper body coming down over top your brace.

Spoiler: Links

Swinging upward nose down.

Ezra giving a good tip or demonstration of swinging downward nose up vs swinging upward nose down. l_ajpOY3Ohs

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Am I wrong if I feel like this is related to me starting the throwing motion early? Atleast it looks like I do.
Getting into the wrong position as I start the throw?

I somehow feel like I'm so damn close to my form being good but theres just some nagging thing I can't figure out.
I try most of the drills but nothing really clicks in my brain.

If anyone has a swingthought that might solve this issue I'd be so damn grateful.

 

[Norumern]

Did some work today, Think I'm doing better with my feet, still working on it.
In other news I tried making some changes to my swing where I imagined myself exaggerating how wide/back I swing which seemed to increase both my speed and angles favourably, I know I need to adjust the height of the reachback doing this but I'm wondering if I'm on the right path in my thinking?

Heres a video anyway. (probably dont look to hard on the first throw in the sequence)

 

[sidewinder22]

In behind view you are pushing your rear hip over and drifing/swaying too left/west. If you do Buttwipe Drill properly it will feel like you drift deeper right/east coiling deeper into rear leg.

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