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The 25th Annual Memorial Championship

notroman said:
That's the problem. Two same putts, one goes in one doesn't.
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Watch the video, and study Will's and Nikko's putts. They are very different in where, and how they hit chains. In this game where a half centimeter can mean a bounce out, or a drained putt, it's all about how it hits.
 
Not the same putt then. Same putt would have the same result. Something was different whether it be a fraction of a milimeter in angle or height not visible to the naked eye or a minute difference in speed or spin.
Perfect putts, by definition, stay in. Nearly perfect putts stay in nearly all the time. There has never been a perfect putt that didn't stick, that would defy the definition of the word. Often I hear complaints of perfect shots that didn't end up as intended and wonder if the person saying it understands the complete irony of the statement.
 
thruhiker99 said:
Not the same putt then. Same putt would have the same result. Something was different whether it be a fraction of a milimeter in angle or height not visible to the naked eye or a minute difference in speed or spin.
Perfect putts, by definition, stay in. Nearly perfect putts stay in nearly all the time. There has never been a perfect putt that didn't stick, that would defy the definition of the word. Often I hear complaints of perfect shots that didn't end up as intended and wonder if the person saying it understands the complete irony of the statement.
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You can't control a disc by the millimeter in angle. You don't want a basket where a disc a millimeter off won't stick. The whole idea is if you hit in the center of the basket, the putt is good. If one hits center and sticks while the other hits center but maybe from a slightly different angle and catches a different amount of chain and then kicks out, then it's a bad basket. It starts bringing luck into play so it's not the best player that wins, but the luckiest. Not good.
 
I agree with the point that 'nearly' identical putts should have the same results, but I don't agree that Nikko's spit out falls under that definition. He hit high on the pole where the chains are more likely to kick the disc out, and he also putted with a hyzer angle which gives higher probability for roll away. It certainly is unfortunate that it rolled out of bounds though and I wish they had some sort of terracing there to prevent that. But he threw a risky putt and it didn't pay off. Just part of the game.

Should the basket be to blame? Partially, I suppose. But the throw itself plus poor course design get a large chunk of it as well.
 
notroman said:
You can't control a disc by the millimeter in angle. You don't want a basket where a disc a millimeter off won't stick. The whole idea is if you hit in the center of the basket, the putt is good. If one hits center and sticks while the other hits center but maybe from a slightly different angle and catches a different amount of chain and then kicks out, then it's a bad basket. It starts bringing luck into play so it's not the best player that wins, but the luckiest. Not good.
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Sometimes, there is luck involved in sports.

But also, I just don't think that just because it looks like a disc should stick, that it should. If you aim too high, there's too much tension in the chains where they meet the basket frame and the disc will likely be rejected. You threw too high, and don't deserve for the putt to drop. If you hit chains on a hyzer angle and the disc cuts through the chains with too much velocity and it hits the pole too hard and bounces out, you don't deserve that disc to drop because the putt was off.

Millimeters are what make elite level sports elite. These guys are dealing in millimeters, just like NBA basket ball players deal in millimeters: a millimeter off and your three might bounce out. A millimeter off and your home run is a foul ball. If we made it so that every disc that hits solid metal went in, the game would be pretty boring: these guys can hit chains at will, but they need to put the disc in the basket so it sticks. It's their responsibility to ensure the putt drops, not the basket--that's the fun of the game.

Of course I'm not saying we shouldn't think about improving the baskets. But I don't think we'll ever have a fool-proof basket and I don't think it would be a good idea even if we could.
 
Anthony Cantow said:
just curious, why is it poor course design? thats a challenging green that's natural...unlike synthetic raised baskets and such
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I'm a fan of terracing hillside greens to prevent rollaways on putts that hit the basket and drop straight down. I am also not a fan of spots where a high percentage of shots will roll away and there is out of bounds close enough that it might roll there.

Just personal preference, not "poor course design" in the broad sense of the term
 
a crooked basket is a valid complaint.

granted, everyone is putting on the same one though.
 
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Mo disinformation. Jessie Westphal is not from Nor Cal she's from Washington. Also I'm not sure she makes trophies. She could but if she does she doesn't post it on Facebook.
 
So wait... He made up the fact she was from nor cal, so he could bring up de la viaga, so he could bring up his freind associated with de la viaga, so he could say Barsby and doss learned near their .....ya that makes sense.
 
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