2021 PDGA Amateur World Championships Aug 17-21

[aredoubles]

https://www.pdga.com/tour/event/47517
https://www.pdga.com/2021amworlds
https://2021amworlds.com/
https://www.discgolfscene.com/tourn...ps_presented_by_Dynamic_Discs_and_Latitude_64

Orlando, FL

 

[aredoubles]

It's looking like Tropical Storms Fred and Grace will both manage to completely miss most of Florida, which is great news, they were both looking pretty dicey a few days ago.

Just played Lake Hiawatha and the Green Gauntlet today, heading over to the Bill Frederick Turkey Lake courses tomorrow. On the former two, we're playing a mix of short and long basket positions, making them considerably easier than I'd been expecting. Both courses were very fun, but I suspect I'd like them even more if I could play to all of the long baskets.

MA1 will not be playing River City Nature Park, trying to decide if I should bag that one on the way home. Not a great Am Worlds for course bagging in general, all of the divisions are only playing three or four courses each, when five or six has been the norm in recent years I think?

 

[ToddL]

MA1 will not be playing River City Nature Park, trying to decide if I should bag that one on the way home. Not a great Am Worlds for course bagging in general, all of the divisions are only playing three or four courses each, when five or six has been the norm in recent years I think?

PDGA has to walk a tightrope of what the players actually want. Is it a course-bagging tournament, or a tournament to determine the best amateurs in the world? Are those two mutually exclusive?
Pro Worlds used to be the same format, with multiple courses, double-shotguns, 6+ rounds, and final 9s, as recently as just a few years ago. And within a few short years, people are on board with the 2-course format and can barely remember that it was ever different.

2019: 6 courses, https://www.pdga.com/2019amworlds/schedule/course
2018: 5 courses, plus final 9 https://www.pdga.com/2018amworlds/schedule/course
2017: 5 courses https://www.pdga.com/2017amworlds/schedule/course
2016: 5 courses https://www.pdga.com/2016amworlds/schedule/event

 

[ballgolfconvert]

Much harder to prep for 5-6 courses. I don't know any people going to actually compete that would prefer that. Guys just going to bag it, yes; but real competitors, no.

 

[Cgkdisc]

Much harder to prep for 5-6 courses. I don't know any people going to actually compete that would prefer that. Guys just going to bag it, yes; but real competitors, no.

There are many more baggers/tourists than serious competitors, especially among the 40+ crowd. The fact is the chances are slim for much of the MA1 field to finish in the top 10 so course bagging for them has been a priority along with "winning their card" prizes when offered.

 

[ru4por]

There are many more baggers/tourists than serious competitors, especially among the 40+ crowd. The fact is the chances are slim for much of the MA1 field to finish in the top 10 so course bagging for them has been a priority along with "winning their card" prizes when offered.

I don't think course bagging is much of a thing, outside of here. I think there are plenty of AM competitors that enjoy the variety and challenge that 5 or 6 courses present. I agree that the mission of the age protected divisions is far more diverse than any of the pro game, but I really disagree that course count is much of a factor on anything. I have never really heard any age protected player at worlds complaining about playing more that a couple courses. Perhaps a whine about travel time?

 

[Cgkdisc]

I don't think course bagging is much of a thing, outside of here. I think there are plenty of AM competitors that enjoy the variety and challenge that 5 or 6 courses present. I agree that the mission of the age protected divisions is far more diverse than any of the pro game, but I really disagree that course count is much of a factor on anything. I have never really heard any age protected player at worlds complaining about playing more that a couple courses. Perhaps a whine about travel time?

Agree that sampling all courses prepared for variety and fun is a desired goal for many Am Worlds attendees more than bagging them specifically for their course count. If at least 5 courses will be used in the event, most attendees over the years have asked/wanted to play at least 5 or 6 courses among those being played.

Once the Am Master field joins the Pro Masters next year's combo Worlds, more Ams may be satisfied playing just 3 or 4 courses now that the Pro Masters were down to just 2 courses this year.

 

[ru4por]

Agree that sampling all courses prepared for variety and fun is a desired goal for many Am Worlds attendees more than bagging them specifically for their course count. If at least 5 courses will be used in the event, most attendees over the years have asked/wanted to play at least 5 or 6 courses among those being played.

Once the Am Master field joins the Pro Masters next year's combo Worlds, more Ams may be satisfied playing just 3 or 4 courses now that the Pro Masters were down to just 2 courses this year.

Honestly Chuck. Not this MA55+. I want the rounds and courses. They are the foundation for my varied and expansive experience.

But, we agree.

 

[biscoe]

Am Masters and Pro Masters together will last maybe 2 years. They need to be separate events.

 

[Cgkdisc]

Am Masters and Pro Masters together will last maybe 2 years. They need to be separate events.

I think the format will evolve. But due to bidding to host the event two years in advance, it will be more difficult to implement larger changes if eventually desired until at least 4 years from now.

 

[Steve West]

Am Masters and Pro Masters together will last maybe 2 years. They need to be separate events.

I'll bet the distinction between AM and Pro for the old-age protected division will go away before the Masters Worlds re-divides.

 

[biscoe]

I'll bet the distinction between AM and Pro for the old-age protected division will go away before the Masters Worlds re-divides.

Hopefully you don't know something I don't know. Why on earth would that happen?

 

[Steve West]

Hopefully you don't know something I don't know. Why on earth would that happen?

Because getting stickers, pins, cheap trophies, hats, t-shirts, and too-heavy plastic is not an incentive for grown-ups.

 

[ru4por]

Because getting stickers, pins, cheap trophies, hats, t-shirts, and too-heavy, super overstable plastic is not an incentive for grown-ups.

Lulz!! FTFY. I like myself a free t shirt though. I think you are correct though. But, to be honest, money is not an incentive for me either.

 

[ballgolfconvert]

Because getting stickers, pins, cheap trophies, hats, t-shirts, and too-heavy plastic is not an incentive for grown-ups.

Amen to this. And to solve it players packs need to be capped to taking no more than 50% of entry fees. Can't even play for much of anything anymore as they are taking almost the entire entry fee to hand out stuff most people won't ever use. Give it a year for the newbies to catch on and we will be back to not filling tourneys any longer.

 

[ballgolfconvert]

Lulz!! FTFY. I like myself a free t shirt though. I think you are correct though. But, to be honest, money is not an incentive for me either.

That tee shirt isn't free. LOL.You are paying full retail for it through your entry fee.

 

[Hampstead]

Give it a year for the newbies to catch on and we will be back to not filling tourneys any longer.

No idea what your scene is like, but around here tournaments fill fast and it has nothing to do with player's packs. Give it a year and I have no doubt they'll still be filling up quick.

 

[ru4por]

No idea what your scene is like, but around here tournaments fill fast and it has nothing to do with player's packs. Give it a year and I have no doubt they'll still be filling up quick.

Same here. Tournaments were filling quickly before COVID and are still filling now, not because of new players. Players in this area want player packs. We have had several attempts at trophy only and the response was luke warm, at best.

 

[Dcinmd]

Because getting stickers, pins, cheap trophies, hats, t-shirts, and too-heavy plastic is not an incentive for grown-ups.

I guess you have not see the grown-ups at the Flymart??

 

[biscoe]

Because getting stickers, pins, cheap trophies, hats, t-shirts, and too-heavy plastic is not an incentive for grown-ups.

How about getting very few trinkets and playing with your competitive and life peers without needing to compete with Dave Feldberg and Philo?