I have no concept of what the wrist does or should do, it's a mystery to me. In a decent speed arm swing the inertia of the disc will pull a loose wrist straight. Or if you use Spin Doctor's "gentleman" grip the wrist should stay straight and the inertia of the disc pull its COM in line with the arm at some point, hopefully at release. Using an active wrist to power a shot? That I don't understand. Is the wrist a pin joint? or the finger a pin joint? (I think yes for the spin doctor grip, no if you have it wedged into your hand. Maybe.)
A high speed video of the forehand would be nice too.
One of the best forehand players I know of says this.
"You want to fly the disc, not throw the disc."
When were talking about the wrist and the things going on, we focus really hard on just kinda hucking the disc at the target. This is why so many people say dumb things like "I turn over firebirds." No you dont, you throw forehand and roll your wrist over cause you're hucking the disc.
This is why I hate Scott's "dont serve the pizza" video. If you throw scott stokley style, then.. yeah, dont serve the pizza. But the other part of that is, dont roll your wrist.
The point of "palm up" on fore hand is because you dont want to "Palm Over." This isn't a changeup side arm. We want to "guide/fly" the disc at the target. Think about "pushing the disc at the target."
People get so caught up in who has the best sidearm. "eagles side arm is so great" yeah, eagle is also hurt from throwing them like a knob. Cause he was pushing his body beyond normal limits and stretched all his tendons out hyper extending things.
Players like Oakley and Hokom have SUPER clean forehands that are high power and low impact. Hokom's looks weird because she's abusing mechanics that nobody thinks about. But it's about core concepts. Nobody gives Matty O shit about his throwing. But they wanna shit all over hokom because instead of throwing 90 degree out to her side standing straight up, she leans over so she can throw forehands in a more powerful posture with her body.
Oakleys forehand is just not given the credit it should. Dude can bomb forehands 400-500 feet. The problem to remember is, very very few people have figured out how to throw high power low impact forehands. Because they destroy your elbow.
There are a few ways to throw forehands, There is the stokley method. Jaani's Gentlemans side arm (which is actually pretty good) and your other similiar styles.
The problem with stokleys video is that it assumes you're throwing EXACTLY like him. There are some other grips that forehand throwers use that his video will trash their forehand.
He doesn't make a note of that or anything in the video cause unfortunately as good as scott is, in scotts head "scotts way is the only way" cause... Drugs or something. I digress.
How I teach forehands is this. And this is also how I try and warm up or bring back my forehand, as I'm a 90% backhand dominate player now, cause forehands are owie.
Basically I'm using some mechanics from baseball when I played, but broken down into simpler steps.
I teach the wrist flick first. The reason for this is to learn to use the power of the wrist to "push" the disc at the target while keeping it simple.
Throw ALL your upshots with a wrist flick.
This helps you dial in the accuracy and get a "feel" for the flick. Eventually you'll lean on it harder while throwing from further away, and I've never actually "taught" anyone to use their arm, they just kind of naturally start getting the elbow forwards and pushing the disc at the target like they are trying to "fly" the disc there.
As soon as you start trying to throw the disc, that's when you start doing all sorts of dirty movements.
I know guys who throw 250 with basic wrist snaps. Danny Parkins had an amazingly hard forehand when his shoulder wasn't jacked up. But he jacked up his arm throwing to many forehands. He was a forehand dominate player, and he had a hard throw. That's kind of a baseball term, I've never understood the meaning, but just what it is. But you can have fast pitchers, and hard pitchers. And.. You're like "huh?" Something about it when catching the ball and the flight of the ball, it's just "hard" like a rock is being hucked at you vs just a speeding bullet. Danny's forehand was HARD. I felt bad for the tree's when he hit them it was so hard.
As for slow motion on the forehand, I didn't have time when I was doing it. Having someone help you and not dragging ass the whole time cause batteries only last so long, it's a bit of a strain to get things setup and roll hard and get as much data as you can.
I need to get a shorter lens for it before I do more high speed stuff, because I have to have the camera so far away to even get the small area of the shot I'm trying to hit. And the lens's for the Kronos are a bit more of a PITA to get. I can't just slap my cannon or sony lens's on there.