disc-golf-neil
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I would do the drill and post the video. Much faster ;-)
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I would do the drill and post the video. Much faster ;-)
Should be a bit better:1. Your feet are setup too far ahead of your hand. First step with right foot should be right under hand. Left step under elbow.
2. Your spine extends instead of flexes.
3. You plant front foot way too early/short.
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It's just hard to get a good camera angle if I'm disappearing behind the wall but it was hard to adjust the height with that extension on the wall so I had to just kind of go for it once I set it and hoped the height was correct.You are setting up belt buckle high instead of navel or slighty higher. Your lower arm should be parallel to the ground in the setup. Your feet still look slightly ahead.
I would be scared to have that joint on the arrow, better to just use the bat like before and stride beyond the wall. You could stick a towel or something on the wall to prevent marking the wall. You want to put all your weight into it and move back and forth.
I'll experiment around with it more. I was trying to exaggerate leading with the butt a bit to sink my weight deeper into it since that was providing a deep stretch feeling, but sinking into it too butt first does look like it results in more leaning back for me.Hard to tell because you kind pause mid stride and your front foot kind reaches ahead of your mass early so you lean back away instead leaning targetward more aggressively with front foot off ground.
If you're having trouble getting the right implement, you could also just go to Door Frame Drill.I'll experiment around with it more. I was trying to exaggerate leading with the butt a bit to sink my weight deeper into it since that was providing a deep stretch feeling, but sinking into it too butt first does look like it results in more leaning back for me.
Yeah, I'll try that, I was just struggling to find good camera angles in this tiny apartment.If you're having trouble getting the right implement, you could also just go to Door Frame Drill.
I used a square brick pillar in my basement when learning it because if I put all ~250lbs of me through a pole on drywall or plaster it would have ruined my walls in my old house.
A lot of people who work on the drills don't realize that you're literally using your entire body mass against the frame or pole.
I needed SW and a couple more people to whack me upside the head to get the point because I had never done something similar before in BH direction.
I found it easier to take the posture LtB trains and throw on hyzer/hyzerflip at first. Then you can use the "same" posture adjusted to each shot.
SW's image might have addressed what you meant by leaning-esque specifically & it's easier to critique you doing the drill (you should share the side and rear view), but I wanted to orient your attention to a couple mechanics that most people struggle with right about now. IMO the more control you develop over the following, the easier it gets to make more subtle and faster changes later.
Compare Eagle's power hyzerflips to the posture he teaches in the video. SW tends to stand more tall & relaxed, but he is still hinging at the hips and coiling back with sidebend to achieve the move. The depth of the hinge hip is related to the "forward lean" - basically, the deeper the hinge, the more the upper body looks like it's leaning. Some people hinge incorrectly and develop weird leans.
I have a lot of body mass through my core and shoulder line/chest. I was a curious cat so I played with other things, but I eventually conceded that SW was right (again) that I would find it easier to throw standing taller, which means I have less hip hinge depth, but it also keeps my mass centered and allows it to rotate faster and commit power through my leading shoulder when I plant. On the other hand, I and most people usually need to experiment with deeper movements past what was "ideal" for their body to know the difference between good and bad actions. Your move will look necessarily somewhat different due to your body type, but use the same posture principles. Trick for Load the Bow is you what to use it to learn the mechanics Eagle uses "retrofitted" to whatever is best for your body.
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Also mess around with this clip SW shared with me a while back to get loose before you Load the Bow. Notice how Kevin hinges back at the hips to set up his drill move. You want to continue that loose move in the hip hinge as you "load the bow". If Kevin kept swinging his throwing arm all the way back away from the intended trajectory while stepping his plant leg forward, that's basically most of the way to Load the Bow or Door Frame Drill!
I now tend to think that it's just a fundamental part of high level athletic motions. You won't recruit the strongest sequence through the core without it and the leverage against the ground will tend to be weaker due to the overall way posture interacts with itself and the earth.Should you coil with sidebend for all powerful drive angles (launch and hyzer / anhyzer) or mostly power hyzers?
I've been trying to look out more for side, bend while watching form, it might just be hard to see sometimes with the shirts, but it doesn't seem like it's always being done significantly on drives.
I now tend to think that it's just a fundamental part of high level athletic motions. You won't recruit the strongest sequence through the core without it and the leverage against the ground will tend to be weaker due to the overall way posture interacts with itself and the earth.
Some people tend to stand more tall or upright with less sidebend, but it's usually there and preserved for distance shots with slight/natural adjustments to the shot. I'm happy to help point it out if you have examples that you find hard to eyeball. Simon generally has awesome posture control and clearly preserves his sidebend in general (golf dude is exaggerating it in the "backhand" direction, look for the same piece of posture in Simon). The club and pitch are showing you the same but in FH/overhand direction.
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Since I had zero relevant sports background I'll share this move series again because it helped me realize how sidebend was a fundamental part of forceful movements no matter what direction you're moving and whether you are throwing, swinging, punching, pulling, whatever. Do the moves a lot = less thinking = more profit.
I remember #2 from before but I feel like I need to prioritize other issues more at the moment, or find a way to work on that without it drawing too much attention to where other things worsen.1. You are doing a fake wide rail and sawing off the backswing. Reachback straight inline with trajectory.
2. Your rear elbow is flying way out there. Keep elbow tighter in, let the lower arm swing around.
3. In side view you can see how much your elbow/disc moves back in backswing, instead of staying more in place while body shifts forward - door frame/bow arrow.
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It's still a wide rail as the body is out of the way relative to trajectory. The only thing that really matters is a wide upper arm angle, so if the shoulders are turned back enough you can reachback straight inline to trajectory.I remember #2 from before but I feel like I need to prioritize other issues more at the moment, or find a way to work on that without it drawing too much attention to where other things worsen.
For #1, I understand mechanically what you are saying to do but would like some clarification on the terms. If I reach back inline with trajectory that would not be a true wide rail, right? So then, if I wanted to also test out a true wide rail, what would I need to adjust?
Also, what software do you use for the video analysis and to draw on?
What about degrees of torso rotation during coil when comparing a comfort power drive vs max power and how that could affect the reachback alignment? Do you recommend more torso rotation during coiling on max power vs comfort power?Reachback straight inline with trajectory.
Not sure what you mean by this.It is like a finger pointing to the moon.
Full quote: "It's like a finger pointing away to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory." -Bruce LeeNot sure what you mean by this.