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There is a Reddit thread about someone practice putting with a water bottle in a tournament. This leads me to ask if it's legal practice putt/throw something other than a disc.
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I should bring a bowling ball and practice my straddle putts.802.01A "A throw is the propulsion and release of a disc in order to change its position."
A practice "throw" should also use the same definition.. and mean a disc.
I am wondering if it is a loophole, or if people will start bringing non-discs to practice with.
I think you meant 812.A.3.c.I believe thriving anything would violate 802.A.3.c
3. Engage in distracting or unsportsmanlike actions such as:
- Shouting (unless warning someone at risk of being struck by a disc),
- Cursing,
- Striking, kicking, or throwing park, course, or player equipment,
I don't think it's much advantage...but that's also why I think what constitutes a "disc" is important. Throwing something that's not an approved PDGA disc might be helpful (might be EXTREMELY helpful if you take it out to absurd hypotheticals).It might depend on whether that throw can be deemed a distraction, to someone in your group or another group.
Also, noting that we sometimes throw things to dislodge a disc stuck in a tree, without penalty.
I'm not sure how much throwing something with a different grip and weight than a disc, constitutes an advantage, anyway.
Give him a penalty stroke for each practice putt. and then DQ him for continuing to violate the rule. (3.03.C.1 is about cheating to circumvent the rules)So... hypothetical... what blocks the following...
I bring an 175g object that has a similar mass distribution to a disc. Prior to every putt I take a practice stroke tossing it a few feet off to the side of the basket. I then shuffle my feet briefly to line up with the chains, go through my routine and take my actual putt. All of this within the 30 seconds of course.
This question is actually very interesting to me right now for a tangential reason.
I have a friend, a strong Adv player named Nolan who says he wants to be a top pro player. I've been playing him cash rounds (and losing most of the time, sad to say) to help him get more competitive golf into his weeks. He, in an almost Pavlovian fashion, responds to every missed putt by taking a practice putt. I jokingly call him out for cheating, and point out to him that he hasn't yet beat me in a round where he hasn't cheated. Legitimately I've mostly thrown the rounds away in the first few holes before getting rolling, so it is mostly said in jest and sour grapes.
But the thing is - he insists that it isn't cheating or an advantage to be taking practice strokes when I'm not taking any. I still haven't drug out of him why he thinks it'd be against the rules if it wasn't cheating. But, yeah, seriously? How can you not think that tossing a practice shot would be an advantage if the other player isn't?
- A practice throw is any throw that is not made as a competitive attempt to change the lie, except for a throw that is made either to set aside an unused disc or to return a disc to a player and that travels less than five meters in the air. A drop is not a practice throw.
- A player receives one penalty throw for making a practice throw; the throw itself is disregarded and not counted.
I was asking my question based on the quibbling above over what constitutes a "throw" by the definition of the rulebook.Give him a penalty stroke for each practice putt. and then DQ him for continuing to violate the rule. (3.03.C.1 is about cheating to circumvent the rules)
So... hypothetical... what blocks the following...
I bring an 175g object that has a similar mass distribution to a disc. Prior to every putt I take a practice stroke tossing it a few feet off to the side of the basket. I then shuffle my feet briefly to line up with the chains, go through my routine and take my actual putt. All of this within the 30 seconds of course.
I think you are getting into the wrong argument with him. Next time you have a long putt, especially if the score is close, just pick up your putter, walk up to the basket and drop it in. If he complains, tell him you are taking a gimme because you obviously would have made it. If he still complains just tell him that if he doesn't have to follow the rules, you don't either. OR you could just assess his penalty throw and show him the rule that REQUIRES the penalty 809.03(B).This question is actually very interesting to me right now for a tangential reason.
I have a friend, a strong Adv player named Nolan who says he wants to be a top pro player. I've been playing him cash rounds (and losing most of the time, sad to say) to help him get more competitive golf into his weeks. He, in an almost Pavlovian fashion, responds to every missed putt by taking a practice putt. I jokingly call him out for cheating, and point out to him that he hasn't yet beat me in a round where he hasn't cheated. Legitimately I've mostly thrown the rounds away in the first few holes before getting rolling, so it is mostly said in jest and sour grapes.
But the thing is - he insists that it isn't cheating or an advantage to be taking practice strokes when I'm not taking any. I still haven't drug out of him why he thinks it'd be against the rules if it wasn't cheating. But, yeah, seriously? How can you not think that tossing a practice shot would be an advantage if the other player isn't?
I'm not quite sure I'd categorize it as cheating. I'm not convinced it's much of an advantage -- that he's making more putts afterwards, because he got a few extra practice putts in.I have a friend, a strong Adv player named Nolan who says he wants to be a top pro player. I've been playing him cash rounds (and losing most of the time, sad to say) to help him get more competitive golf into his weeks. He, in an almost Pavlovian fashion, responds to every missed putt by taking a practice putt. I jokingly call him out for cheating, and point out to him that he hasn't yet beat me in a round where he hasn't cheated. Legitimately I've mostly thrown the rounds away in the first few holes before getting rolling, so it is mostly said in jest and sour grapes.
But the thing is - he insists that it isn't cheating or an advantage to be taking practice strokes when I'm not taking any. I still haven't drug out of him why he thinks it'd be against the rules if it wasn't cheating. But, yeah, seriously? How can you not think that tossing a practice shot would be an advantage if the other player isn't?
I disagree - I think of it as a huge advantage. That extra bit of opportunity to get a feel for the heft of your disc or recognize that you weren't loading up for your weight shift makes all the difference in the world when you're having a potentially poor putting round, heading that off at the pass. Any time you take that extra throw you're getting a free opportunity to self-diagnose and correct that has zero consequences.I'm not quite sure I'd categorize it as cheating. I'm not convinced it's much of an advantage -- that he's making more putts afterwards, because he got a few extra practice putts in.
I believe the rule exists as a matter of order, in tournaments, rather than a matter of fair competition.
I play a lot of casual competitions where someone might throw a "revenge putt", or a 2nd drive to test a disc. Those would be violations in a tournament, and I'd call them if someone tried. But among ourselves, we count the score and win on the first shots.
Which isn't to say I wouldn't try to claim it, in jest and sour grapes, too. I once claimed a brother "cheated" in a round in which he beat me by about 17 strokes, because of a questionable O.B. ruling.