Throwing a really OS driver vs. a mid

[BuzzzChief]

At 330' I'm throwing an F2, I can't even get there with a Firebird unless I'm really feeling strong that day. Change the distance to 300' and it gets more interesting.

For me it depends on the possibility of a skip. If the ground is hard or a big skip left will really screw me, I'll throw a mid on a gentle hyzer. If the grass is long or a skip left is OK, I'll put a Firebird out to the right and let it fade in.

 

[Jabumbo]

330' is my least favorite hole distance because after a nice drive I am still just outside the circle facing a putt that I will inevitably come up *just* short.

Give those options though, I always throw the mid. I am far more likely to put that on a rope than any driver I have in the bag.

 

[Jesterian]

Doesn't this all depend on the line? Low Ceiling, High Ceiling, Angle, etc?

 

[kerplunk]

Lots of people missing the point. OP is asking what shot you opt for given a choice between a straight midrange and hyzer driver, not what you would throw on an open 330' hole. I will almost always go for the spike hyzer with a banshee, firechicken,or destroyer,depending on the length.

 

[Pbmercil]

Lots of people missing the point. OP is asking what shot you opt for given a choice between a straight midrange and hyzer driver, not what you would throw on an open 330' hole.

Correct. And the right answer is a driver hyzer, obvs

 

[Aim For The Chains]

Ok topic nazi when what is being discussed relates exactly to the OP. All valuable here given the topic. Go fight elsewhere lol its about good discussion.

 

[Snap-it]

At 330', driver over powered up mid.

Yep, watch the Pros.

 

[kerplunk]

Ok topic nazi when what is being discussed relates exactly to the OP. All valuable here given the topic. Go fight elsewhere lol its about good discussion.

What everyone would throw on an open 330' hole doesn't relate to the OP, as we are all of varying skills and ability. The situation he describes is probably a 300' hole for you and a 200' hole for me. What he is asking about is related to strategy, not the distance of the hole.

 

[BrotherDave]

Doesn't this all depend on the line? Low Ceiling, High Ceiling, Angle, etc?

Yeah but I think we're supposed to assume that those aren't issues since he said 'no-brainer.'

This is one of those areas where conventional wisdom hasn't been very conventional for me. I should be able to throw simple spike hyzer with my Banshee and get a gimme putt but either I don't play open courses enough to practice this or I just plain suck at executing the simple shots. I don't do a good job of ranging spike hyzers and I fall prey to the R>L crosswind a lot. I'm much more accurate throwing a straight mid on a slight hyzer.

For a 330' hole I'm definitely throwing at least an Eagle unless it's downhill. I am in the woods way too much to stay versed in 300' mid shots.

 

[goeyj]

I'll always take the pure hyzer line if available. I like getting discs to flip up and ride, but throwing that hyzer where the disc never quite flips up all the way to a full spike is the most predictable for me. On the other hand, I really love throwing mids so, in casual rounds, I'll definitely throw mids on holes up to 350 flat ground.

 

[Twmccoy]

To clarify, the great majority of courses in CO have wide open lines. A few run through trees, but seldom. More often than not you can pick which line you want to put a throw on. The only real hazards to contend with here are creeks and lakes. A few courses will penalize you heavily if you're inaccurate.

The hole I was referencing as an example is a perfectly flat vanilla 330' with zero chance of trouble. You can basically use any disc you want with little regard for OB or anything like that.

Before, I had made a habit of using mids on these types of holes. However, I've determined lately that I can get closer to the hole more consistently (especially when windy) by using an overstable driver.

 

[Snap-it]

Does/can anyone here throw a fade shot, ya know, instead of a hyzer all the time? Geez! Driver, mid, putter...doesn't matter. Try releasing that OS disc flat and slightly right, and let it slowly fade into the basket. Much more control than a hyzer, especially if the wind gets ahold of one, and no monster skips to deal with. Personally, I only want that big skip when I'm turning a sharp corner on approach and need it to get closer to the basket.

To default to hyzers 100% of the time is crippling one's game.

 

[jeremyhilss]

Does/can anyone here throw a fade shot, ya know, instead of a hyzer all the time? Geez! Driver, mid, putter...doesn't matter. Try releasing that OS disc flat and slightly right, and let it slowly fade into the basket. Much more control than a hyzer, especially if the wind gets ahold of one, and no monster skips to deal with. Personally, I only want that big skip when I'm turning a sharp corner on approach and need it to get closer to the basket.

To default to hyzers 100% of the time is crippling one's game.

Thats pretty much what I do. A similar example is on Mt Zion, hole 4, 300 ft slightly downhill, wide open. I'll usually toss my OS Nuke or one of my Champ Bosses flat and way right, let the fade bring it in.

I really only use hyzers at all for wooded lines that are right to left.

 

[Jesterian]

Does/can anyone here throw a fade shot, ya know, instead of a hyzer all the time? Geez! Driver, mid, putter...doesn't matter. Try releasing that OS disc flat and slightly right, and let it slowly fade into the basket. Much more control than a hyzer, especially if the wind gets ahold of one, and no monster skips to deal with. Personally, I only want that big skip when I'm turning a sharp corner on approach and need it to get closer to the basket.

To default to hyzers 100% of the time is crippling one's game.

Have you watched McBeth's 1132 rated round at the Memorial? Take a look then get back to us.

 

[garublador]

A hyzer or flex shot with a overstable disc is probably a higher percentage shot, but it's important to be able to do either one. So in practice I'll mix it up or work on the one I'm worst at, but if my score matters I'll be throwing the overstable disc.

 

[ferretdance03]

Unless there's obstacles to miss or lines to hit the spike hyzer is pretty much my go to. Disc choice depends on distance and wind and potential for trouble, but usually it's a beefy TeeBird or a Firebird. At 330 wide open I'm probably throwing a TeeBird if it's not really windy. So to OP's question, yes.

 

[Shamis]

In an open field you'll see the pros throw a hyzer almost every time. Going right at it with a mid or a anything else has a lower chance of ending up in the circle.

But lets be honest, the real purpose of the thread was to talk about throwing mid ranges 330 feet with ease.

 

[Hampstead]

The hyzer is perhaps the most boring shot in golf. I'd much rather test my skills and imagination before settling for the boring line.

 

[ThrowBot]

The hyzer is perhaps the most boring shot in golf. I'd much rather test my skills and imagination before settling for the boring line.

Personally, I'm fine with boring golf. Easy hyzer drive parked for a tap-in birdie...yawn! I'll put those on the scorecard all day. Obviously that's not always an option--good course design dictates that it often is not--but I don't go looking for the fanciest line just to amuse myself.

I don't have anything against different/imaginative shots, but given the option I'll go for the boring throw if that's the most reliable way to lower my score.

 

[lyleoross]

Personally, I'm fine with boring golf. Easy hyzer drive parked for a tap-in birdie...yawn! I'll put those on the scorecard all day. Obviously that's not always an option--good course design dictates that it often is not--but I don't go looking for the fanciest line just to amuse myself.

I don't have anything against different/imaginative shots, but given the option I'll go for the boring throw if that's the most reliable way to lower my score.

Best answer so far!

I'd like to build on this answer. It seems to me there are two kinds of Pros, Hyzer Kings, and versatile. McBeth is versatile. He will throw a Hyzer, but he also has a full bag. His skill is in choosing the correct disc, and approach to the hole. Nikko is the same. Matt Bell is the Hyzer King example. He tries to work the Hyzer shot in whenever he can.

The reason there is a whole branch of Pros that go Hyzer as often as they can, is that it is a safe shot where the disc is very likely, even in the wind, to do what the thrower wants. Being good at it will take you a long way. That said, getting to the top these days, takes more. The top guys do a little more analysis, and while they will use the Hyzer, they choose the shot that works best for the hole.

Back to 330 foot Hyzer shots. I see lots of them from Pros, I also see lots of 330 foot mids. It depends on conditions, and the fairway. The best player will try and use the appropriate disc and throw that gives the easiest shot on the hole. That is simply smart play.