notroman
* Ace Member *
There is another field beyond the wood line if you take the gravel road down, but as you said, I still don't think it's enough for an event this size. Shuttle service is fine, but it won't be a short shuttle ride.
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There is another field beyond the wood line if you take the gravel road down, but as you said, I still don't think it's enough for an event this size. Shuttle service is fine, but it won't be a short shuttle ride.
Sorry if I missed it. I'm curious who put in the other bid?
Eky8
Eagle Member
My understanding is Dynamic Discs had the other bid in Emporia. Rusco announced at the GBO players meeting last year that they were putting in a bid for worlds.
I'm not a fan of disc golf on golf courses either, but apparently some people are. They keep holding tournaments there, and players keep showing up.
When lamenting that Pro Worlds isn't held on the best courses, bear in mind the limitations:
First, the criteria. A location doesn't just need great courses. It needs suitable courses---suitable in length and challenge, for top pros---but also to be spectator- and video-friendly, have sufficient lodging and other facilities, and have locals willing to run the event, and raise the money necessary. Each factor whittles down the available locations. Particularly, the latter ones.
Second, the turnover: With a handful of Majors to be bid on each year, and the fact that most places, once they host a Major, don't want to do it again for a decade, and you need a pool of dozens of cities from which to draw. Not all are going to be the best of the best.
Third, Pro Worlds isn't the must lucrative Worlds for someone to host.
I don't know whether Ogden is a great place for Pro Worlds, or not. I don't know this particular disc/ball course, though I still like the idea of combining it with a wooded course. It's certainly a beautiful location. And with all things considered, I'm more appreciative of Utah for hosting, than concerned about the course. And for those who don't care for it, the following year it will be somewhere else.
When lamenting that Pro Worlds isn't held on the best courses, bear in mind the limitations:
First, the criteria. A location doesn't just need great courses. It needs suitable courses---suitable in length and challenge, for top pros---but also to be spectator- and video-friendly, have sufficient lodging and other facilities, and have locals willing to run the event, and raise the money necessary. Each factor whittles down the available locations. Particularly, the latter ones.
Second, the turnover: With a handful of Majors to be bid on each year, and the fact that most places, once they host a Major, don't want to do it again for a decade, and you need a pool of dozens of cities from which to draw. Not all are going to be the best of the best.
Third, Pro Worlds isn't the must lucrative Worlds for someone to host.
I don't know whether Ogden is a great place for Pro Worlds, or not. I don't know this particular disc/ball course, though I still like the idea of combining it with a wooded course. It's certainly a beautiful location. And with all things considered, I'm more appreciative of Utah for hosting, than concerned about the course. And for those who don't care for it, the following year it will be somewhere else.
billyjacko
Eagle Member
Yeah you will.
I don't think I watched any golf course rounds this year or other silliness like Ledgestone or USDGC.
It has gotten to the point where there is plenty of other disc golf coverage to watch if I need my fix.
Some of the early year rounds like Vegas were super entertaining in a bad way though, because of the crazy amount of wind just making everyone look silly.
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F. Howl
* Ace Member *
I prefer wooded over wide open as well, but Ledgestone and Winthrop are a good enough mix of shot shaping and landing zones. You're sounding overly particular.
I think that what are advertised as the most important disc golf events should be played on the best courses.
"Best" courses is subjective.
Also, the most important disc golf events are played where the support needed to run them is present. It takes more than a great course to put on a big event.
I'm aware of all of that. It is just a sad fact and I get it. I just wish there was more support around better courses.
Related, just as sad of a fact that there were only two bids for worlds.
I'm not as sad, as I recall times when there were zero bids to host Pro Worlds.
Take off the table the places that have held them in the past decade, or held other majors, and don't want to do it again anytime soon, and that's what you're left with. Thankfully, the USDGC has a permanent home so we don't have to find hosts for that every year, too.
Take off the table the places that have held them in the past decade, or held other majors, and don't want to do it again anytime soon, and that's what you're left with. Thankfully, the USDGC has a permanent home so we don't have to find hosts for that every year, too.
Finny
Birdie Member
How many of the people voting down Mulligans have ever been to a major PGA tournament? All of those are held on wide open courses. You need wide open for spectators. The Masters looks all woodsy on tv, but it's not. Let alone the British Open, which is held on courses with fewer trees than the Emporia Country Club.
I understand that the hazards in ball golf are on the ground and not in the air like disc golf, but still. If you want people to watch in person, you can't be buried in the woods. Everyone prefers seclusion for playing, but that doesn't work for spectating.
I understand that the hazards in ball golf are on the ground and not in the air like disc golf, but still. If you want people to watch in person, you can't be buried in the woods. Everyone prefers seclusion for playing, but that doesn't work for spectating.
bwgort
Birdie Member
Not by our definition of wooded.
But that illustrates the primary difference between the sports (aside from the equipment, obviously). The big challenge in ball golf is the landing surfaces and playing the ball off of them. The challenge in disc golf is negotiating obstacles in the flight path. Generally speaking, the only time you really have an obstacle in the flight path of a golf ball is if you're off the fairway in the first place. Definitely not the case in disc golf.
Finny
Birdie Member
There are courses where players on one hole can't see the players on another hole. The best example is Pine Valley. One of the best courses in the country, but never hosts pro tournaments because they refuse to cut down trees.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Valley_Golf_Club#Tournaments_at_Pine_Valley
Sahalee Country Club in Sammamish, WA is noted for its huge trees. There was a Senior US Open there in 2010. The players seemed to really enjoy it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahalee_Country_Club
nate22
Eagle Member
1.5 that's hard core!
pauldst
Double Eagle Member
Assuming you meant most lucrative, are Junior, Amateur, and/or Masters more lucrative? Why?
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