Is THIS what we want?

[WD09]

So getting back to the op...

Do we know who installed these and why? The more I look at it these look like a mix between something to do with drainage and possibly some sort of weird art piece and really nothing to do with disc golf. But...that's just my speculation.

I was texting with the TD, so I asked him. (BTW, Neal is an old school Frisbee legend and a mainstay in the Texas scene from way back. His PDGA# is 200.)

He called them "mini sausage sticks" and indicated that they were there to influence approach shots and make people less comfortable putting. He said they didn't seem to have much impact and "they may go away." Then he said they were thinking of replacing them with cactus. I didn't ask if he meant real cactus or a cactus-themed art piece.

 

[zenbot]

You can drive with bottle caps if you do it right. A snap of the fingers is all it takes...if you do it right.

Oh, I know...more importantly so do all of my ex-roommates.

 

[DavidSauls]

I was texting with the TD, so I asked him. (BTW, Neal is an old school Frisbee legend and a mainstay in the Texas scene from way back. His PDGA# is 200.)

He called them "mini sausage sticks" and indicated that they were there to influence approach shots and make people less comfortable putting. He said they didn't seem to have much impact and "they may go away." Then he said they were thinking of replacing them with cactus. I didn't ask if he meant real cactus or a cactus-themed art piece.

Well, now that we finally know, my answer to the thread question --- speaking as I, not we --- is, "No".

 

[ballgolfconvert]

Wind?? It's a gimmick....like trees. No place in disc golf for gimmicks.

Wind, in part, should replace the undulations in ball golf greens to make an equivelant challange in disc golf as well as undulations around the putting area. Except, since the target is so easy, players can simply use speed to overcome any effects of the wind, leaving the basket defenseless, which leaves a bit of sport out of it. That is why I think a proper target does not include chains.

For me, excitemnt wanes when the players are not held to a higher standard than throwing it to 25', to almost guarantee a birdie. The quality of shot required to do that in ball golf is so much higher, which makes ball golf more exciting to watch, and more fulfilling to have siuccess in. Even excellent shots in ball golf often leave difficult birdie attempts. Yeah, yeah, "go back to ball golf" will be the refrain, but I simply would like disc golf to bring the same level of challenge, excitement and fulfillment that ball golf does, and it is indeed possible.

Why is everyone here opposed to being more challenged? Challenge makes sports more fun, not less fun. Of course there is a place for disc golf to be played simply for fun. But any PDGA sanctioned A or B or tour event should be all about serious competition first without gimmicks like these pegs. I would guess it affected the scores of less than a handful of players.

 

[oldmandiscer]

I have played rec golf for 50 years. I play in 1-2 golf leagues for the last 20 or so years. I travel with buddies to play golf all over Michigan. I have never played, seen nor heard of bigger holed golf courses. (unless a soccer ball was involved) I know of nobody who would be the slightest bit interested in making the game different.

I am sure this idea is out there, but it is a solution looking for a problem that does not exist......IMO.

Might come as a shock, but I don't support bigger bowling pins, larger horseshoe stakes, bigger jarts circles, bigger cornhole boards and holes or bigger scoring areas in darts. Still shockingly, none are broken or enhanced by smaller targets either.

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[Hampstead]

Blah, blah, bolf.

 

[VictorB]

Why is everyone here opposed to being more challenged? Challenge makes sports more fun, not less fun. Of course there is a place for disc golf to be played simply for fun.

What's your c1x percentage? I find plenty of challenge in putting as is.

Disc golf is a race to bridies, not a fight for par like ball golf is. Quit comparing the two, they are simply not interchangeable. I played a ton of ball golf when I was younger, and I get plenty of satisfaction out of the challenge disc golf gives me.

 

[oldmandiscer]

I'll poke my head in here and rehash my thoughts from the infamous "So you want to make the baskets smaller" thread for the record since it's rearing its ugly head here too.

(1) OMD stated in that thread he wants a basket where Paul McBeth should make 67% of his putts from 25 feet. I assert that such a basket will have to be stupidly small. It will change everything in our game for worse.

(2) I enjoy watching pros putt on current baskets as it is. Lots of drama occurs; it's just from further out than OMD wants.

(3) Putting in Disc Golf is essentially like the Grand Prize Game on the Bozo Show. There's no good way around the fact that we release the projectile itself with our bare hands through the air. We don't strike it with another noun and have it roll on the ground like they do in ball golf. Our motion is more like a basketball free throw than a ball golf putt. Thank goodness.

I am cool with putting drama occurring outside of 30 feet for pros. Making 25-footers a challenge for even 1000-rated players will ruin the game, in my opinion.

I see top pros screw up short putts all the time, by the way.

(4) I believe a change to professional baskets will mean we'll eventually see that be the standard everywhere else. I don't want that. The game is tantalizing for most of us now and I enjoy putting. A basket where PMB is 67% at 25 feet will mean most of us aren't hitting half from that range. Those of us who actually fund the sport will hate that.

(5) I am still on the fence as to whether OMD is for real about this, but it's not good either way. Sincerity in this case means he's delusional. Insincerity means he's a troll. I have never understood trolls. How does that work psychologically? The jollies are lost on me for sure.

The mental image I have of trolls breathing hard while engaging in lengthy internet arguments they don't really believe is not a flattering one. The same can be said for somebody being THIS upset about Paul McBeth and Ricky Wysocki not missing enough 25-footers on TV.

Everything that can be said on this topic has been said multiple times. I say we use the psychological strategy of extinction on the absurdity of a basket where Paul McBeth misses one out of every three attempts from just 25 feet.

Over and out.

But McBeth is publicly for a smaller basket. So are a half dozen others and I'm sure a few hundred more if you asked them. No one wants to have to make every putt from 33 feet and in. When they miss it's choke job almost.

 

[oldmandiscer]

didnt Paul miss a 15 foot put last weekend at Belton? Mister clutch. I think putting is exciting enough as it is.

Sure he probably misses 3 out of 100. You only remember the miss because every other is a make.

It looked closer to 18-20 as well.

 

[BogeyNoMore]

You can drive with bottle caps if you do it right. A snap of the fingers is all it takes...if you do it right.

Yeah, but if you get pulled over driving with a bunch of bottle caps, you can expect a breathalyzer test. :|

 

[oldmandiscer]

THEY'RE NOT.
One company is trying and failing, but the PGA is not changing the hole for rec players.

It's not one company, lol

 

[oldmandiscer]

The bolded are what we call OPINION.

Unfortunately for the threads you infect, they are also the basis for all of your arguments.

Do you think watching anything that happens nearly every time is exciting? How can you even have a legitimate sport if missing isn't realistic or suppose to happen at a fair rate?

Drama is not knowing wether a player will make or miss, not knowing 90%+ of the time they will make that 20-25 footer. I get a feeling that they choked more then they did anything well when they make it.

Meaning it's unimpressive. I like to watch sports to see things I can't do or see on a local league night. Like Rickys 10 foot challenge on youtube using a Bullseye basket. That was impressive. 111,000 people also watched it.

He's not going to make a video making 15 footers, nobody would watch.

 

[ru4por]

Wind, in part, should replace the undulations in ball golf greens to make an equivelant challange in disc golf as well as undulations around the putting area. Except, since the target is so easy, players can simply use speed to overcome any effects of the wind, leaving the basket defenseless, which leaves a bit of sport out of it. That is why I think a proper target does not include chains.

For me, excitemnt wanes when the players are not held to a higher standard than throwing it to 25', to almost guarantee a birdie. The quality of shot required to do that in ball golf is so much higher, which makes ball golf more exciting to watch, and more fulfilling to have siuccess in. Even excellent shots in ball golf often leave difficult birdie attempts. Yeah, yeah, "go back to ball golf" will be the refrain, but I simply would like disc golf to bring the same level of challenge, excitement and fulfillment that ball golf does, and it is indeed possible.

Why is everyone here opposed to being more challenged? Challenge makes sports more fun, not less fun. Of course there is a place for disc golf to be played simply for fun. But any PDGA sanctioned A or B or tour event should be all about serious competition first without gimmicks like these pegs. I would guess it affected the scores of less than a handful of players.

Because disc golf is not broken and does not need to be more like golf.

The better question, why is everybody here not able to make you understand this?

 

[ru4por]

But McBeth is publicly for a smaller basket. So are a half dozen others and I'm sure a few hundred more if you asked them. No one wants to have to make every putt from 33 feet and in. When they miss it's choke job almost.

Complete fabrication.

 

[oldmandiscer]

You're out of your element Donnie.

Do people watch NBA basketball to see the players throw bricks? Do people watch PGA events to see guys 4 putt? **** no, they want to watch players do baller **** that normal people aren't able to do.

I want to watch the pros cash 98% c1 and 80% c2, and a couple of throw-ins on top of that. I want to see athletes be rewarded for being aggressive and making insane shots.

So you want a bigger basket? More line drive putts that take little skill?

 

[oldmandiscer]

Complete fabrication.

Actually he is.

 

[oldmandiscer]

Because disc golf is not broken and does not need to be more like golf.

The better question, why is everybody here not able to make you understand this?

Actually it is broken, otherwise all the pro's wouldn't be bringing it up would they?

 

[ru4por]

Do you think watching anything that happens nearly every time is exciting? How can you even have a legitimate sport if missing isn't realistic or suppose to happen at a fair rate?

Free throws, darts, cornhole, bowling are a few off the top of my head.

Drama is not knowing wether a player will make or miss, not knowing 90%+ of the time they will make that 20-25 footer. I get a feeling that they choked more then they did anything well when they make it.

Your opinion, held by few others.

Meaning it's unimpressive. I like to watch sports to see things I can't do or see on a local league night. Like Rickys 10 foot challenge on youtube using a Bullseye basket. That was impressive. 111,000 people also watched it.

False conclusions.

He's not going to make a video making 15 footers, nobody would watch.
False narrative.

:wall: :doh: :wall:

 

[BogeyNoMore]

OMD's like a toddler playing peekaboo on a flight... has no clue when to stop, and never gets tired of it.

Now that I think about it, he's a lot like Trump claiming the ejection was rigged. He just goes on spoutting the same tripe to anyone and everyone who will listen, oblivious to the reality around him, and completely unable to recognize a lost cause when he sees it.

We need get a kick starter going to hire some call girls so he has something else to do besides posting endlessly about this.

 

[oldmandiscer]

:wall: :doh: :wall:

Free throws are 75% on avg from 15 feet. Touring Pro's are 95-99%. It's not even close.

Is 97% greater than 75%?